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masseur
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my understanding is that distribution was temporarily halted due to a few carriers who found an issue in the firmware and this was being addressed, presumably by a firmware update, before the phone hit the mass market. Unfortunately this was too late for the initial batch made available in Sweden.
I never really understood why there is a RAM issue at all, if its 256mb... fine, that will do the job, if its more, great! By all accounts its 256mb but I sometimes get the feeling that some people are now just looking for reasons to complain about SE
anyway, 1 more week to go according to all retailers that I monitor then we'll get even more people confirming what the Swedish owners have already said
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Indrawan
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i think although x1 only has 256MB RAM but x1 is fast...
many people said the x1 is slow but for me, not at all...
Yes, panels transition from potret view to landscape is slow but i understand it...it is because there are 9 panels are active...it eats big RAM for it and dont forget the panels are a desktop not applications or shortcut and on a desktop there are many applications it means if there are 9 panels it is the same as it run application more than 9 applications at 1 time...No phone like this!
if you run 1 application on a desktop or panel..WOW it is very fast...it can be compared with Iphone speed even in application transition from potret to landscape also fast...
imagine if x1 only has 330MHZ and 128MB RAM...
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Dogmann
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Hi all,
Sorry for upsetting anyone but i have been in Hospital for a little over a week having a Back Operation. On returning i hadn't read any clarification on the memory issue which is why i asked.
I think I've been round phones long enough to understand launch dates and what ever anyone wants to claim shipping from the factory to being available doesn't take over 3 weeks and close to a month please be realistic.
I now understand that the Networks spotting a problem is the cause of delay and that makes perfect sense and it's no big deal. What is though is yet once again when just a few simple press announcements from SE would of clarified both matters SE yet again remains stubbornly silent. You would of thought by now they may of improved their lack of communication with their users or then again maybe not.
Oh and for those of you on VodaFone i have just spoken to retentions and they are expecting the X1 to be available from tomorrow. Unfortunately they don't and won't have any details of prices an plans until then either but as a premium device most price plans will be 18 months was the only info she had. As i have a free upgrade available i may well get an X1 for a 14 day review and then sell it to one of you lot.
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MWEB
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Saturday i hear it's available in the UK, but that has been pushed back twice this month, give it a couple more weeks before writing this one off Marc. 
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On 2008-10-23 05:43:36, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-10-23 04:36:40, Sirhackalot wrote:
Your missing the entire point, the statement I made was towards se (Sony Ericsson)'s contribution to the x1. It's called an se phone but all se have done was make the plastic case and a program that shows wm6 progs as shortcuts... Thats all.. HTC on the other hand have created the acutal phone.... you know the hardware... including the screen, keyboard, and buttons you will be pressing... Stating that i feel the phone should be called an HTC since the heart of the phone was created but HTC. Im sorry that your taking my opinon so seriously. I promise next time when se creates a good phone ill make you feel better by boasting it strengths.
Also just because i like to debate on matters
Plastic Vs Metal. I will be very happy dropping my plastic phones only recieveing a scratch while you can recieve dents that can potentially cripple the hardware inside it.(Happens to people in cars)
First of all, cars have mostly polymer/fiberglass bodies. 
If you like debating, then make sure you have a factual basis for your argument(s)
The heart of the phone is the MSM7200a Qualcomm chipset...not made by HTC. Neither is the camera. HTC doesn't make LCD screens either. I could go on.
HTC is an ODM. ODM'ing is a common practice in any industry. Don't be foolish to think that because a device has a certain brand name that every component of that device is created by that particular manufacturer.
This all doesn't matter anyways, because HTC has yet to "teach SE a lesson" on premium phone design 
Certainly, by now, HTC would have shown SE "how it's done." 
Errr before you start telling people off I really think you need to get YOUR facts right I am affraid to tell you that certainly in Europe most car bodies are "MAINLY" metal with some Polymer or Plastic panels and parts and as I work in motorsport and come into contact with very many American vehicles very few I have encountered have mainly plastic bodies apart from Vettes that is.
On 2008-10-23 14:51:43, WhyBe wrote:
Well, they've already officially stated the RAM is 256MB. There's only anecdotal evidence stating otherwise...nothing official.
Why it wasn't shipped worldwide on 9/30...  At least the folks in Sweden got theirs. I imagine there are some production issues causing it to not be produced as fast as expected...but I'm guessing though.
Well I for one heard and saw the X1 product manager say  had upped the X1 RAM to 384Meg RAM, I feel that is hardly anecdotal. I have not seen any Official statement clearing up the issue where can this be found please?
I have owned the ... T68i T610, P800, P900, P910, P990, W950, P1, W960 But SE have now totally lost the plot. |
Dogmann
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I agree everyone was more than happy to extol the virtues of it having 384mb Ram and yet now those same people are happy to say there was no proof and it was always 284mb. It isn't really that important other than the confusion it seems to have caused and the lack of any clear and definitive information on which is correct from SE. I mean really just how difficult is it to tell us the correct info along with an official explanation for the delay. Bad communication is just that bad business practice.
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Caspa
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Masters of suspense... or incompetent... You decide!
All those years ago when I was in the industry, release dates were never met... They were a figment of the imagination... Dont know whether thats changed, but looks like like to keep it real!
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goldenface
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Will the extra ram really be that beneficial / less ram be that dentrimental?
Isn't how the device performs more important than who said what?
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On 2008-10-23 17:32:49, Caspa wrote:
Masters of suspense... or incompetent... You decide!
All those years ago when I was in the industry, release dates were never met... They were a figment of the imagination... Dont know whether thats changed, but looks like like to keep it real!
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On 2008-10-23 17:38:54, goldenface wrote:
Will the extra ram really be that beneficial / less ram be that dentrimental?
Isn't how the device performs more important than who said what?
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Hi goldenface IMHO you are 100% correct BUT the X1's I have seen demonstrated look like they need every spare bit of RAM they can get their hands on they are very laggy,
X1 fanboys please don't flame me over this, I believe the evidence of my own eyes.
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WhyBe
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RAM is not a magic elixir that solves all speed issues. There is a point of diminshing returns by increasing RAM. Someone tell me, if the RAM were increased to 384MB or 512MB, how would that make the X1 faster (technical explanation please)?
Nitro Fan wrote:
Errr before you start telling people off I really think you need to get YOUR facts right I am affraid to tell you that certainly in Europe most car bodies are "MAINLY" metal with some Polymer or Plastic panels and parts and as I work in motorsport and come into contact with very many American vehicles very few I have encountered have mainly plastic bodies apart from Vettes that is.
Well, I'm no car expert. I don't see any cars that have MAINLY metal bodies (outer panels)...at least not the ones I've been in an accident with I stand corrected if they are indeed mostly metal (but doubt it).
Well I for one heard and saw the X1 product manager say had upped the X1 RAM to 384Meg RAM, I feel that is hardly anecdotal. I have not seen any Official statement clearing up the issue where can this be found please?
Good ol' white paper. |
pinguino1
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On 2008-10-23 15:23:33, masseur wrote:
my understanding is that distribution was temporarily halted due to a few carriers who found an issue in the firmware and this was being addressed, presumably by a firmware update, before the phone hit the mass market. Unfortunately this was too late for the initial batch made available in Sweden.
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Every company may have productions problems. But most companies have the decency to explain. Their customers may feel disappointed but nOT IGNORED. So the lack of communication from SE is not acceptable. They are hurting their image worldwide very badly.
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Nitro Fan
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On 2008-10-23 20:10:52, WhyBe wrote:
RAM is not a magic elixir that solves all speed issues. There is a point of diminshing returns by increasing RAM. Someone tell me, if the RAM were increased to 384MB or 512MB, how would that make the X1 faster (technical explanation please)?
Nitro Fan wrote:
Errr before you start telling people off I really think you need to get YOUR facts right I am affraid to tell you that certainly in Europe most car bodies are "MAINLY" metal with some Polymer or Plastic panels and parts and as I work in motorsport and come into contact with very many American vehicles very few I have encountered have mainly plastic bodies apart from Vettes that is.
Well, I'm no car expert. I don't see any cars that have MAINLY metal bodies (outer panels)...at least not the ones I've been in an accident with I stand corrected if they are indeed mostly metal (but doubt it).
Well I for one heard and saw the X1 product manager say had upped the X1 RAM to 384Meg RAM, I feel that is hardly anecdotal. I have not seen any Official statement clearing up the issue where can this be found please?
Good ol' white paper.
That will be the white paper they released BEFORE, the product manager told the world it had 384Mb RAM then?
Seriously until someone gets their hand on what are prepared to own up to being a final release model no one will know how well it runs on 256Meg or 384meg what ever it be! But what I have seen so far with 256Meg aint all that impressive
I have owned the ... T68i T610, P800, P900, P910, P990, W950, P1, W960 But SE have now totally lost the plot. |
WhyBe
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But what I have seen so far with 256Meg aint all that impressive
What are you expecting to see?
That Magnus gaffe was not an official announcement IMO. |
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Nitro Fan
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On 2008-10-23 21:37:45, WhyBe wrote:
But what I have seen so far with 256Meg aint all that impressive
What are you expecting to see?
That Magnus gaffe was not an official announcement IMO.
Well if a "and the good news is" announcement at the global launch of a new product is not official I really do not know what is!
As for what I am expecting to see:
Well animated menus that don't stop when you ask the device to do something would be a start, my office colleague who is no "phone head" watched a demo with me and laughed! when he saw the amount of lag, his comment "what is the point of that animated menus the phone cant cope with!"? and I have to agree with him,
that is IMO going back to the days of windows95! If the device cant run the applications it is being asked to don't proceed, stop take stock and deliver a product that can cope
I have owned the ... T68i T610, P800, P900, P910, P990, W950, P1, W960 But SE have now totally lost the plot. |
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