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WhyBe
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Well, iPhone is definitely a high-end device (highly subsidized). Whether you consider it a smartphone or not is a matter of semantics. It supports third party software and is OS updateable. Just because it doesn't match other established smartphones feature-for-feature doesn't disqualify it as a smartphone. |
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Tigershark42
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It is a toy by definition, people buy it only for the fun of using it. It offers little or less than their old phone did in terms of features or capabilities. End of. |
max_wedge
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On 2008-10-22 14:09:56, WhyBe wrote:
It supports third party software and is OS updateable.
So does my W910. 
You are right, whether something is a smartphone or not is certainly down to semantics, but take something like A200 with the latest java support, multi-tasking and comprehensive multimedia support and you could pretty much argue that it's a smartphone OS. "Technically" it's not because it doesn't support native multi-tasking, but it's application platform does so in most cases it's not a smartphone in "semantics" only.
Let's look at iphone again: What about one of the key features that most would agree marks a phone as a "smartphone"? Multi-tasking. iPhone multi-tasking is disabled for applications. So while even a shitty old java phone can multi-task apps, let alone WM, iphone can't. It can multitask music and web browsing (wow, my K700 can do that). But not apps. If you ask apple this is their reasoning: "...WinCE proves that the general idea of having no limitations on third party background processes and concurrently running applications on a handheld device is a bad idea." Okay "no limitations" might be a bit much, but to restrict apps to only one at once?? wtf? btw, I never noticed my WM phones crashing with many apps running. Again it comes down to badly designed apps bring windows to it's knees, not the amount if apps in memory. For well behaved apps, WM manages memory very well.
Okay, what about broadbased native multimedia support (or support through third party apps), the other criteria of a good smartphone? Does iphone have comprehensive multimedia support? No it doesn't. For multimedia to play on the iphone it has to be first converted in itunes (using a computer) to apple compatible formats. A200 supports MORE codecs than iphone (mp3, m4a, mp4, real, wmv, wma, wav, amr) AND with a A200 phone you can plug it into any computer and transfer that media to the computer, OR transfer the media via bluetooth (or wifi on the upcoming C905).
Let's look at WM - most media will play on the WM without conversion, running free third party players (such as core). It also supports various backward AND forward methods of file transfers. No "itunes" type software is required to copy media to WM. I can bluetooth tracks direct from my A200 to my WM and back again.
So for me, I simply find it laughable to categorise the iphone as a smartphone when it offers very little in raw functionality that my W910 doesn't, and against WM it's postively antiquated. The only thing it has going for it is a very swish interface, but that's about it.
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pinguino1
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On 2008-10-22 14:09:56, WhyBe wrote:
Well, iPhone is definitely a high-end device (highly subsidized). Whether you consider it a smartphone or not is a matter of semantics. It supports third party software and is OS updateable. Just because it doesn't match other established smartphones feature-for-feature doesn't disqualify it as a smartphone.
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Hi WhyBe,
Very rare that I disagree with your comments, this time I make an exception. My definition of high end is not if it HAS this or that. It is f it performs EXCEPTIONALLY well this or that.
A for instance: a high-end car is not the one with engine and wheels, and dashboard full of gimmiky features who takes you to work. It is the one that performs beyond the rest.
The iPhone is a flashy phone with beautiful dashboard that performs very poorly or misses some important tasks or even basic functions.
So regadles of how it's called, smartphone, feature phone, ipod phone it is a regular hyped phone that attracts simple users, people with a weak ego who needs to show off or just suckers.
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BIG-Stan
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willo
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Just spoken to Carphone Warehouse, I have been told that they are expecting the X1 to be in stock "This Weekend".
Free handset for £45 p/mth 18 month contract (as already posted)
They estimate £100 handset charge for £35 p/mth 18 month contract.
I asked about inclusive O2 unlimited web access bolt-on, they told me the only inclusive bolt-on is unlimited texts and web access is a further £7.50 p/mth. Which strikes me as being a 'bit steep' as O2 let you choose your own bolt-on (including web access) for their £30 p/th contracts.
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Tigershark42
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On 2008-10-22 17:24:47, willo wrote:
They estimate £100 handset charge for £35 p/mth 18 month contract.
Which carrier does this apply to? Now I'm abit more interested! |
SE-Naz
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It may be the O2 Network...
Cheers
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WhyBe
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@max wedge & @pinguino2:
OK, we all have differing viewpoints on what a smartphone or high-end is. Even Wikipedia can't really define it. I think the BEST definition is the simplest one, because that is what will become THE definition for all.
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willo
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On 2008-10-22 19:10:34, SE-Naz wrote:
It may be the O2 Network...
Cheers
ENJOY
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yes it was O2 - I should have mentioned it! |
Singapore_Air
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O2 have offerred me (I think) the X1 for £35.00 a month + £0.00 for the phone as an upgrade on an 18 month contract.
This seems like an alright deal but not great. I'm going to try and ask for free insurance. Thoughts?
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netnerd
Joined: Oct 09, 2008
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what do u think i in iPhone stands for?
i = idiot!
iphone= idiotPhone! |
Jah
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On 2008-10-22 18:58:06, Tigershark42 wrote:
On 2008-10-22 17:24:47, willo wrote:
They estimate £100 handset charge for £35 p/mth 18 month contract.
Which carrier does this apply to? Now I'm abit more interested!
At www.mobiles.co.uk X1 on £35 per month for 18 months and upfont cost £30. This is on O2, whcih means after 9 months you can reduce to £30 per month and a month later to £25 per month |
chrisu
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Can anybody confirm if English OS is not available with scandinavian keyboard? Any swedish users with English OS and scandinavian keyboard?
Finnish deliveries were supposed to start this week, but now I got an email stating delay for 1-2 weeks...
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the_mont
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On 2008-10-22 19:49:57, Singapore_Air wrote:
O2 have offerred me (I think) the X1 for £35.00 a month + £0.00 for the phone as an upgrade on an 18 month contract.
This seems like an alright deal but not great. I'm going to try and ask for free insurance. Thoughts?
Hmmm, I'm already on vodafone and depending on who you speak to you can always get a few things bundled in for free  . Each Sales support person has a "allowance" on top of what is offered to everyone. So for example, I'm getting the following upgrade offer (as a 600mins p.m. vodafone user, with unlimited text, stop the clock and "free" internet access for: £35 pm ):
X1 handset = free upgrade (18 month contract)
4Gb Micro SDHC card = free
Only have to sit and wait for the call now, date as with the others is a moving target...
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