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Xugaa
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slattery69
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On 2006-07-02 10:49:43, ads1107 wrote:
i never directly said it was an English film..and yes im sure its only a rare occurrance and only caused by a minorty...
Over recent years, i have only heard things about English fans, yes other nations have these problems, but it would seem not as bad as England. Australia was given a contraversial penalty given against them, you didnt see their 20,00 fans making any trouble, this violence is pointless.
And media do not single out England, at least not in Australian media. But this sort of thing is bad for the sport, especially in the World Cup, and this isnt the first time they have done this in the sports main event.
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i think part of the problem is that in england and a lot of the main hooligan countries football is the major sport. so it consumes people (not to justify the actions of the mindless morons)
in auustrila to the best of my knowledge football is an emerging sport youve a lot of of other sports which are far greater supported and watched which probably explains why you get so little trouble and also you get more news from the premiership due to the larger amount of national team players who play in this league.
so many nations have terrible hooligan problems a lot far worse than england but the press very rarely report it in there country. italy is one of the worse it was only a year or 2 ago some one through a motorbike from a top teir of one of the grounds and it hardly made the news in italy |
Xugaa
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Wow, someone threw a motorbike from a top tier?
How'd they get it up there? Cause any injuries/deaths?
And yeah I agree, England has the most football teams and leagues anywhere in the world, and because the Premiership is so well know around the world and many countries have players that play in it, people will hear much more from it in the press and media so it will seem as England is the major problem in all this. When you will get other countries with far worse reputations that hardly make the news. FIFA says that the worst countries fro football supporters in Italy, Turkey and Poland, but how much do you hear of their problems, like Slattery said.
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xdavex
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Yeah, its always the England that are causing the trouble, never anyone else, funny that! 
I want Italy to win now, no way in hell i want Germany to win! 
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Xugaa
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I don't like Portugal or Italy much, and although I've never been much of a Germany or France fan I do think that they both deserve to be in the final more than the other two. But perhaps Germany winning due to an all round World Cup performance, where as France struggled and only just made it through from the group stages. Which I thought South Korea deserved to advance more than France.
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fatreg
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I think England cause the trouble due to the fans put their heart and soul into supporting the team.. not saying that no other team does but it seems that English fans are in huge huge quantities.. just look at the game yesterday for example.. the English fans iout numbered the Portuguese fans by a silly number..
I've yet to see any English game where there is not a huge supporters presense. and unfortunately this huge presense brings its problems as the fans are so up for a match that when England loose they need to vent their anger..
I know its difficult to uinderstand but some people treat footblall as a religion, watch every game, own every shirt, know the squad inside out.
im not condoing the violence that English fans cause im just saying that there are "plausible" reasons as to why they do it..
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Xugaa
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Beckham Quits As England Captain
David Beckham has decided to step down as England captain after holding the role for six years.
But the Real Madrid star does want to to continue his international career.
Beckham revealed his decision at England's final press conference in Germany in the wake of their World Cup quarter-final defeat by Portugal.
The 31-year-old midfielder said: "I feel the time is right to pass on the armband as we enter a new era under new coach Steve McClaren."
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Xugaa
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FIFA Investigates Rooney Red Card
Wayne Rooney is to be investigated by Fifa for violent conduct following his sending off in England's World Cup quarter-final defeat against Portugal.
The England striker was dismissed after 62 minutes for appearing to stamp on Portugal defender Ricardo Carvalho.
A Fifa spokesman said: "Wayne Rooney got a direct red card so he will automatically be suspended.
"It will be a disciplinary case. Like any player (who got a red card) the committee will decide on the penalty."
There had been confusion as to whether Rooney was dismissed for the foul on Carvalho or for the push on Cristiano Ronaldo that followed.
The spokesman added: "If you may ask why (he was sent off) I refer to law 12 on violent conduct to make that clear."
Fifa's disciplinary committee also opened a case against Argentina's Maxi Rodriguez for his involvement in the post-match brawl following Argentina's quarter-final defeat against Germany.
Do not blame Rooney, says Gerrard
England midfielder Steven Gerrard pleaded with critics not to blame Wayne Rooney for their exit.
The striker was sent off on 62 minutes as England went out on penalties.
Gerrard said: "We gave everything we could and I hope people don't blame Wayne or the penalty takers, but if they do we will deal with it.
"I think they were finding it really difficult to break us down and I thought we were heroic out there, we threw bodies in the way of shots."
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England poised to leave Germany
England's squad will fly home on Sunday after their World Cup penalty shoot-out defeat at the hands of Portugal.
Their plane is set to leave Baden Baden in Germany at around 1400 BST and is due to land at Stansted Airport in Essex at 1515 BST.
It will be coach Sven-Goran Eriksson last journey with the squad because he is leaving his post and handing over the reins to his deputy Steve McClaren.
Eriksson has been criticised after England failed to reach the last four.
The inquest into England's exit is likely focus on Eriksson's failure to land a major trophy during his five-and-a-half-year reign.
But striker Wayne Rooney will also have to shoulder his share of criticism after his dismissal, which forced England to play with 10 men for almost an hour.
Rooney was shown a straight red card by Argentine referee Horacio Elizondo after appearing to stamp on Portugal defender Ricardo Carvalho.
Media criticism of Eriksson has focused on his tactics, squad selection and his £4m-a-year salary.
Eriksson's critics claim his selection policy dictated his cautious approach, and he has been accused of wasting what many believed to have been the most talented squad at the disposal of an England coach for 40 years.
In Rooney and Michael Owen, Eriksson picked two strikers whose fitness was in doubt, while Peter Crouch was always seen as a stop-gap for emergencies.
Eriksson's other striking selection, teenager Theo Walcott, was never used by the England coach during the tournament.
Pundits have pointed to his lack of striking resources as a contributing factor to Rooney's dismissal, with the Manchester United striker's frustration at being forced to plough a lone furrow, spilling over.
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On 2006-07-02 12:00:27, fatreg wrote:
not saying that no other team does but it seems that English fans are in huge huge quantities.. just look at the game yesterday for example.. the English fans iout numbered the Portuguese fans by a silly number..
I've yet to see any English game where there is not a huge supporters presense.
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If you really want to know the reason why they out number alot of fans worldwide, its due to cheap air travel..The UK has the cheapest available flights anywhere in the world.
Things like low cost airlines are still catching up in Europe and unfortunantley that leaves out alot of countries getting from A-Z.
2. Violence also deters alot of people.
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slattery69
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its been a strange world cup , all the so called top teams have really under performed- brazil england holland spain etc even france have been disappointing until yesterday.
germany were slagged off before they d even kicked a ball in there own country people were saying it was the worst german team ever yet theyve turned out to be a very good unit.
perhaps its because there more of a team than a group of indiviudals, the so called big teams really have just been a collection of classy indivduals trying to play as a team, were i think the germans have been a team first and formost.
but i think the way the cups gone so far theyll probably end up getting beat. portugal look very good defensivly though there keeper (apart form penalties) would fill me with no confidence loves punching the ball when it could be caught and seems to like to go for the showman save instead of just collecting the ball.
up front they offer very little strong in midfield but there strikers just arent good enough. |
Xugaa
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No, its because the English not only invented football but also England has the most football teams and leagues in the world, meaning it has more followers and supporters by far. Also England is a very very patriotic country which many including the government try to get in the way of or stop, so to be able to be patriotic and love and be proud of our country is a massive thing. In a way we envy the American's right to be proud of and love there country without being frowned upon for doing so.
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fatreg
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thats not entirely true is it not marques?
i for one can look at easyjet.com and pick me a flight from Madrid to Berlin for €200
or from ryanair.com
cheap air travel is the same all over.. i find it cheaper a lot of the times to vuy tickets from where im going to..
ie, its cheaper for me to get tickets from london to Dubai and back from Dubai...
makes perfect sense...
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End of road for wayward England
Sven-Goran Eriksson's England reign ended on familiar territory - defeat at the hands of his nemesis Luiz Felipe Scolari.
Just as in Shizuoka in 2002 and Lisbon two years later, Eriksson was left to tell a tale of failure while Scolari celebrated the victory.
And even though England's latest defeat by Portugal on penalties can be added to a list of heroic failures, it was the culmination of a World Cup that was a massive anti-climax.
England reserved their best performance of a disappointing tournament for this eventful quarter-final under the roof of the AufSchalke Arena.
There was a drive and purpose that has been missing, and there was great credit in the way they overcame Wayne Rooney's second-half sending off.
But this was another missed opportunity against a Portugal side that has deteriorated visibly since reaching the Euro 2004 final.
England's golden generation will leave Baden-Baden on Sunday knowing that for all the heartbreak of their latest penalty shoot-out defeat, they are still what they have been for years - a last eight team in major tournaments.
They were provided with a smooth path through the World Cup and lost their way.
Rooney's red card was a devastating blow for England, and while its validity may be questioned by some, he was running on a short fuse for much of the evening and the whole incident could have been avoided.
He was not helped by the shameful antics of his Manchester United team-mate Cristiano Ronaldo, who could hardly wait to urge referee Horacio Elizondo to send Rooney on his way after his clash with Ricardo Carvalho.
One presumes Ronaldo has more chance of leaving Manchester United at the end of this eventful night than he did at the start because it is doubtful he can face Rooney across a dressing room again.
England have not possessed a killer touch throughout the World Cup, and once again they failed to pose a consistent threat with Rooney alone up front.
David Beckham was poor before his injury, looking off the pace and failing miserably to deliver from set-pieces.
One of the first questions Steve McClaren must address as he succeeds Eriksson as England manager is Beckham's role in the side and as captain. And Beckham did little to provide answers in Gelsenkirchen.
Owen Hargreaves has no such worries. He started the World Cup with his place in the squad being questioned and ended it with the best individual performance by an England player in the tournament.
He was immense in all departments of the game and must now be handed the holding role on a permanent basis.
England actually created the better chances of a clash that never took off completely, played in stifling conditions.
Frank Lampard and Aaron Lennon had opportunities, but once Rooney had left the action there was an inevitability about penalties - and an inevitability about the outcome.
Lampard ended his desperate tournament with a miss, while Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher also failed.
The sight of Carragher stepping forward was mystifying, especially as he was clearly sent on to take a penalty despite having little or no history from the spot.
One of the most popular and professional members of this England party deserved better.
And with Ronaldo's final penalty, defeat was sealed - a familiar end to a World Cup that came and went without any England contribution that will live in the memory.
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Non European countries always have it difficult to win in Europe. The only non European country that accomplished to become Worldcup Champion in a European country was Brazil, which won 5:2 against Sweden 1958, when Sweden was the host.
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