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skyXperia
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OIS aren't good in phone. Look at some footage recorded from Samsung/LG. The space are strange. I don't know how to describe it. So, sony now go for high ISO. I don't think we can see any OIS in the near future. I heard there is something to do with the EIS and the DVS but I don't really know it is true or not.
Curve back is not space-efficient. I feel that the FPS position maybe is the part of the design. So, try to accept it. | |
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Nevewolf
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Sony may have made some stupid decisions, but not adding battery in the curve is not one of them.
The purpose of the curve just for ergonomics, nothing more. It is also thick only at the midpoint.
It is a fact.
We must not forget what happened Note 7, precisely because of the curve |
Lonewolf223
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Removing headphone jack is not even a trend, its pathetic from phone manufacturers including sony.
The old design would have helped in accommodating better battery.
Ambient flow looks and feela great but it is not the way forward.
Why isn't sony trying out the y design for gods sake |
Moe87
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How is G7 better than XZ2?
Gsmarena on G7 review says the samples taken are worse than G6/V30. XZ1 is much better.
Battery life on LG phones are lame since G3, only X Power can be saved.
Screen is not BT2020 certified, it has worse delta values, no sdr to hdr conversion.
G7 has mono speaker. DAC makes no difference for wireless headset.
It has been shipped without EIS for 4K@30fps
Videos have lower bitrate than XZ.
It has better design ( when notch is hidden)
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Archdragoon
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The DAC on LG G7/V30 is the best for the smartphone. Exclude the granbeat since it's not using flagship grade SoC.
The audio quality from the quad DAC is much better than any wireless headset with LDAC. The MDR-1000X is not so good for the audio quality.
I still curiuous for the EIS and OIS stuff. Could not we have both on the same phone ? Like OIS work for still picture and EIS for video.
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astider
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I saw that someone quoted Zackbuks about Sony Mobile camera team has joined the main Sony camera team since the XZ2 launched. Hope it's real and looking forward to it. |
Moe87
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OIS on smartphones cannot be used just when you want.
It acts everytime you use the camera.
It also increases the battery usage.
Question is: why doesn't EIS work for photos?
I heard Premium has some anti-shaking thing, I dont know exactly what it is.
There are just 2 problems with current cam:
- the fact software goes LANDSCAPE in situations the BACKLIT would be better.
- slower shutter in daylight compared to previous generations. Scene gets brighter like phones with f1.7/f1.8 but sky is completely overexposed.
Strong points :
- White balance is pretty great
- No strong NR, noise can be erased by edition. Better than losing details.
- HDR does not make photo fake like other phones that provide more contrast/saturation than reality.
- Less corner softness than XZP
XZ2P cam review from AH the guy says the DISTORTION CORRECTION tool helps the video quality.
I did not know that..
I think dxo already did xz2, but waiting the Premium to post together.
Maybe xz2 is above 100. OP6 got 97 without zoom or telephoto.
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hgautam
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On 2018-08-01 20:49:18, skyXperia wrote:
OIS aren't good in phone
You are wrong there. As I said don't be blind fanboys. You will keep feeling oled and ois inferior just because sony hasn't used them in phones yet. Everyone else has and the results are great. |
yuunanase
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On 2018-08-02 02:35:33, hgautam wrote:
On 2018-08-01 20:49:18, skyXperia wrote:
OIS aren't good in phone
You are wrong there. As I said don't be blind fanboys. You will keep feeling oled and ois inferior just because sony hasn't used them in phones yet. Everyone else has and the results are great.
Evey technology has its benifits and draw backs, you cannot say one is better than the other. All screens, no matter oled or tft can be tuned and adjusted as the oem like them to be, so technically, they can reproduce over saturated colours or natural colours as they like. Yes, Oled has great blacks, but at the same time has burn in. The only phone which is considered having a good oled screen is the iPhone x, which has a much longer lifespan than any galaxies.
OIS is only useful in the dark when the subject is stationary. If you are shooting a moving subject, OIS is basically useless. Although they did not solve the problem of night photos OIS, they solve the problem with another way, so to me, they have succeed, but a bit late.
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skyXperia
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On 2018-08-02 02:35:33, hgautam wrote:
On 2018-08-01 20:49:18, skyXperia wrote:
OIS aren't good in phone
You are wrong there. As I said don't be blind fanboys. You will keep feeling oled and ois inferior just because sony hasn't used them in phones yet. Everyone else has and the results are great.
I am not blind. Look at some video footage recorded on S9. The footage look weird when walking. It is not smooth. Seems like some people pulling the screen. I don't only look on SONY phone. I read various review on all phone. Let face it. OIS is good for photo, EIS is good for Video. If they can make the OIS similar to OSS, can be switched on/off. Than will be good.
I know Xperia will use OLED display very near future. I am find with that. I don't like the curved screen through. |
Nevewolf
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Sony will not use OIS, i read that on an interview yesterday, i can't find it, but they said that.
OIS in phones isn't efficient as you may think due the limited space. |
Archdragoon
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Well if OIS could not turn off as expected then I doubt that Xperia will have it.
That mean some of the staff might be liar...
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Lonewolf223
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Why are u people acting like this?
Ois isn't good?
Since when?
Dont tell that oled is inferior to lcd pls
Lcd is much cheaper and sony is making profits from using lcds on their flagships
Oleds have better black levels,sunlight legibility,are thinner and lighter panels than lcd, provide better battery life. And oleds are currently the most color accurate displays in the market (samsung panels), sony lcds are not at all accurate.
And FYI iphones are the not only phones with good oled displays
My frnd still has a galaxy s5 from 2014 still in perfect condition.
Samsung diaplays are the best like it or not.
Iphones are second to samsung
Until micro leds are available in the market oled is simply the best option there is.
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skyXperia
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Yes. Samsung do own top-notch OLED and NAND flash. Now they cooperate with Frjifilm for the CMOS. While JDI still fighting for resources. SONY SEMI still working on their own. Sharp IGZO is expensive and quality still not there. However, Samsung will keep the best bin for themselves, just like SONY. LG is the only choice for SONY now. I guess SONY is already give up on waiting JDI to start the production line.
Apple can use Samsung OLED just because they can afford it. Chinese brand can get some with low price are really rubbing quality.
Don't get me wrong. OIS is great, especially in tele lens. All good tele DSLR lens have build-in IS. However, it won't really help you to take a blur-free pictures. What really helps you is high ISO, large aperture. I personally own a a5100 with 1670 OSS. The oss almost useless in video. That is why we have handheld stabilizer. Still photo does help but not much. I still pushing ISO and Aperture and Shutter Speed. However, S9+ adjustable aperture approach is creative but not really help.
Take a look with this:S9+ Footage, XZ2 Footage
Warping is shown on S9+ when he is walking. LG is even worst than this. XZ2 is way better.
Again. I am happy if they add the OIS. However, it don't really make a different. I am not here to protecting Xperia, say all the good things. Xperia now should work harder on their Camera software rather than throw in more feature.
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yuunanase
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Ois isn't good?
Of course OIS is good! Thats why Sony has been using them in the A7 series! But sony has found a way to overcome the need for OIS and be competitive. But of course adding OIS will make the camera even better!
Imagine having iso 6400 with a shutter speed of 1 second and be very stable! You can basically capture stars hand held!
Dont tell that oled is inferior to lcd pls
No they are not. Nor is oled better than lcd. They just have different strengths. Maybe in a generation or two, oled will be much better.
Lcd is much cheaper and sony is making profits from using lcds on their flagships
Er... never know that Sony is a non-profit organisation... and I guess that means maximizing the profit is a must?
Oleds have better black levels
Agreed
sunlight legibility
Again, not all oled panels are equal, nor are all lcds. XZ2 is brighter than S9+ which is in turn brighter than iphone X, but XZ2P is just bad
are thinner and lighter panels than lcd
Not really my concern. If someone who makes a phone who uses a lcd pannel, but overall thinner than its competitor, then its a winner. And in the current situation, I doubt that if they use a oled pannel on the xz2, the phone will be much thinner anyway.
provide better battery life
Yes, if you are looking at a black screen. But how about a white screen?
By the way, you are missing the point that OLED has a higher response rate than LCD.
And oleds are currently the most color accurate displays in the market (samsung panels), sony lcds are not at all accurate.
As I said eariler, it depends how the manufacturer tunes their screen. You can be using the same panel, but display different results. I know, both Samsung has spent a lot of time calibrating their screens, so their screens are great, and Sony has spent ages calibrating the LCD panel.
And FYI iphones are the not only phones with good oled displays
My frnd still has a galaxy s5 from 2014 still in perfect condition.
Yup, so was my walkman X (2009) ps vita (2011) which I don't use as much, and Xperia T, which I still uses every day has no such problem. and FYI, LCD can also cause a burn in.
Samsung diaplays are the best like it or not.
Iphones are second to samsung
Wow! As I said many times, there are always advantages and disadvantages, and currently, OLED are more or less on par with LCD or might be a little better, but its definately not miles ahead. That said, I would really love to see a Xperia with a good OLED screen, not an half baked effort like the LG V30 or Pixel 2
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