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SL33PYH34D
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On 2006-09-01 22:35:00, Jah wrote:
Nokia has managed to reduce the OS footprint of the N93 by 5mb so there is some hope for the P990.
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Will be interesting to see is SE/UIQ manage to achieve the same sort of gains. Nokia's developers must have surely come up with something pretty clever to manage to release an additional 5MB. |
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Dogmann
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Hi all,
yes the first firmware upgrade is going to release an extra nearly 6mb of RAM on startup bringing this up to 24.75mb out of 50mb. So i do think they must be able to do something similar on UIQ3 well at least i would hope so.
I wouldn't touch agile messenger just yet as all versions seem to suck ram and cause crashes in all the new devices just now. I personally install as little as possible of 3rd party software as these are always the culprits that tend to cause freezes and crashes IMO. So far all i have installed is autolock and that works well and has caused no problems. I know we should be able to and that's the point of a smartphone but its just not possible for things to run smoothly IMO.
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masseur
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I'm sorry but I think we're dreaming if we think after more than a year of development of UIQ3 that  are suddenly going to find 5mb... and lets not forget that we've already had one firmware update which did nothing in this area
no, I think the only way will improve on available usable memory is to remove functionality! things like wifi, um, calendar, um, well you get where I'm going with this 
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apolloa
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Thanks for the reply SL33PYH34D, I hope your right and all those funky little apps out there that people make won't be affected, but then again there isn't much that needs to be added to the P990I's software.
Has anyone played a game on the phone yet? Not one it came with but one you've brought, if so what's it like, I'm interested because the P990I and M600I have hardware 3D graphics accelerator chips in them.
Can you not set the P990I to automatically close programmes down when you exit them? |
masseur
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On 2006-09-01 23:55:25, apolloa wrote:
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Can you not set the P990I to automatically close programmes down when you exit them?
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no. as with windows mobile devices, we'll be looking for 3rd party apps to do that if we really feel the need, but I never have since the O/S will close the apps when it needs the memory
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Jah
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@masseur
understand your point about the RAM hungry UIQ3, and I agree with you that after a 6 month delay little has moved in this area. But I did notice that in the first verison of the P990 firmware Opera needed between 10 and 12mb of RAM to start and now it seems happy with around 6/7mb - so some optimisations are possible. My money is on improved memory management to reduce leaks and the caches that UIQ3 seems to use for speeding-up the UI, you can see this mechanism at work when fails such as showing FC menus in FO mode or flashes inappropriate screens occassionally. Given that I was happy with the M600 for a few weeks before the arrival of the P990 I think 19MB of RAM with less leaks would enable the P990 to be stable for most users. Now I have 16mb at start-up, lets see if SE can give us another 3mb. |
Dogmann
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Hi all,
Can someone confirm that the M600 and P990 have a 3D graphics accelerator chip in them as it is my understanding that only the N93 can claim this honor and is the first such device to do so.
Masseur i hope you are wrong on this occasion unlike you to be so pessimistic though.
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masseur
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I do agree that the priority is sorting the memory consumption issues so that I can have more than 3 apps running without one of them being closed down.
Certainly the opera enhancement you mention is good but that doesn't change the initial available usable memory which is the important thing and anything done to the browser will make no difference to a person who does minimal browsing but wants to maximise their other applications.
I laughed out loud when I hard reset my latest (and greatest) TyTN before starting to install stuff and found 55.3 mb ready and waiting for me to use
mind you, I wonder these days of relatively cheap memory why we are scrimping and saving for the odd megabyte. yes I know its non volatile but I'd pay an extra 50 quid to double the memory in any of these devices
its fine to say that I have a 4gb card in my P990 and a 2gb card in my TyTN and I can simply install things there, but if I want to swap cards for music, video, applications etc then I have to sit down and think how best to arrange where I install what applications that I might want all the time and I'm really of the mindset that the device itself should already have more memory than I should need do I don't have to worry about
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Dogmann
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Hi Masseur,
I must be honest i install everything i can onto to memory cards and only if i have to the phones memory. Currently have a 1gb card that has 2 full length movies, videos and pictures and still have over 400mb left so that is enough space for me for now and only cost £20 i may get a 2gb card if i start shooting loads of video but even that is under £40.
Whoever claimed that the M600 and P900 has 3D graphics chip i think you will find it doesn't, what is says is
"Three-dimensional looking game graphics for a deeper and better gaming experience."
which is hardly the same thing at all I'm afraid to say.
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apolloa
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On 2006-09-02 00:41:06, Dogmann wrote:
Whoever claimed that the M600 and P900 has 3D graphics chip i think you will find it doesn't, what is says is
"Three-dimensional looking game graphics for a deeper and better gaming experience."
which is hardly the same thing at all I'm afraid to say.
Marc
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Mobile 3D Graphics (JSR-184) with hardware acceleration
From link:
http://developer.sonyericsson[....]s/phonegallery/p990/p_p990.jsp
If you click on the M600 on the left for it's information you will see it say's the same thing.
It's also stated in this review under games:
http://www.gsmarena.com/review.php3?idReview=101&idPage=9
And the W900I has got full 3D graphics acceleration in it. Beat the N93 to it I'm afraid.
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Dogmann
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Hi apolloa
I stand corrected many thanks for that as i could not find anything, but the N93 has the latest version of the chip with increased prformance is what i should of said instaed.
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apolloa
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Yes, as to what chips the phones have who knows, I assume the P990I and N93 have the top range media chips due to there prices, but no clue as to the others. As the majority of them are made by ATI and Nvidia then they'll be like PC graphics, getting more advanced every week so both phones are probably already out of date 
The sooner they improve the power consumption and get them into lower range phones the better IMO as they games on these phones look great.
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joel80
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On 2006-09-01 23:40:23, Dogmann wrote:
I wouldn't touch agile messenger just yet as all versions seem to suck ram and cause crashes in all the new devices just now.
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Well.. since you can't use it after upgrading the firmware thats a god tip! Lol..
I use Jimm right now to run ICQ.. works ok.. It demand some ram and I can't run more then 2 other apps at the same time.. and not even that if I have had the phone on for a day.
By the way... the version of jimm that I use isn't "approved" or anything.. No problem in installing and the only problem is that I have to accept for it to use the internetconnection when connecting.
/Joel
X1 user since 2008-10-12
P1i user since 2007-12-15
P990i user since 2006-08-07 |
apolloa
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Phones2udirect has removed the P990I from it's site??????
 I found it, they have it in stock now.
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SL33PYH34D
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@masseur - I don't think it is that unreasonable to expect some serious gains in RAM in UIQ3. Afterall if Nokia have suddenly been able to find another 5MB in their S60v3 implementation after all this time there is no reason why SE/UIQ can't do something similar. The N93 hardware wise has little different from the rest of the N-series S60v3 line.
As for the 3D acceleration on the P990i/M600i it is actually a PowerVR implementation built into the main Philips (now NXP) Nexperia processor. The W900i used an nVidia 4800 solution.
Not sure what the N93 uses although I think it is either an ATI or nVidia solution. |
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Posted: 2006-09-01 23:12
