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Raider camera driver for C901 [current is v6.3.2] |
anouk82
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On 2010-04-29 17:49:10, code28h4p wrote:
C901 camera perform always better rather than Elm™ as long as you know how to use it.
don't be so sure mate...  |
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Raiderski
Joined: Jul 03, 2006
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From: Poland, Hell, Mountains
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In this matter I'm like Steve Jobs and Elm is like Adobe Flash, if you know what I mean It is good but not good enough for me, let me clarify my opinion...
1. No camera cover
2. No xenon
Both are not "must have" options for most of us. For me the cover is very important, xenon is less but I like it anyway.
3. C901 camera is super easy to modify, Elm driver is huge and it's hard to understand anything
Again, who cares? Well, I'm really happy that I could free the real power of C901 but both with Elm are good in original form. Potential of modified C901 is huge that's true, low-light/night quality is great with longer exposure time, etc. but modding and manual options are a bit of extravagance and for sure not "must have" option for most of us.
4. Elm has VGA video recording while C901 has QVGA
No comment haha 
5. Colors
Both have great and vivid colors, nothing else to add.
6. Really weird 3 horizontal lines on Elm pictures
How is this possible? Very good camera with such issue? I hope this will be fixed with FW update to make owners 100% happy.
7. Contrast
Elm cuts off small part of dark colors, this makes them darker. Better? I wasn't be so sure. I was using this trick in C901 and sometimes results were better, however most often they were bad. First problem was dark shadows, very unnatural for my eye, second problem are darker low-light pictures. We want to see more details isn't? I didn't liked this trick but I saw nice shadows from C901 before and this is something that I just can't jump over. For somebody with Elm this doesn't make any difference because he is accustomed to pictures from Elm. C901 user is happy, Elm user is happy too 
8. Autoexposure
C901 has tendency to underexpose and Elm has tendency to overexpose. You have more chances to get pale picture from C901 if you don't care about proper autoexposure.
9. Sharpness and details
This is what makes a difference! Noise reduction in Elm seems to be on "remove all" priority while C901 is more liberal. Noise is not always bad, it also creates a details, otherwise pictures are too soft. Elm use high sharpness of the edges, this doesn't make better details but better visibility of the edges which means much sharper picture - simple. C901 use medium sharpness of the edges, it doesn't have to use high because of more liberal noise (details) reduction. Is this ok? Well, results are not bad but in fact a bit too soft. Instead of use high edges sharpness which doesn't look good I decided to increase sharpness of details (C901 have controls of edges and details sharpness) and this is it! Now sharpness is better and still natural, max details sharpness in macro mode just rocks, ha! Only in v6.3... 
Something more? I don't know.
C901 can be easily tuned as Elm is. Below first pic is normal, second is Elm like. Shadows are way too dark, edge sharpness is abstract. Anyway, WOW factor can be different for us and my choice is natural - normal version which means C901.
[ This Message was edited by: Raiderski on 2010-04-29 21:36 ] |
titus1
Joined: Jul 27, 2008
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Is there a tutorial where to put the "GFX"? |
ceaser2008
Joined: Jul 14, 2008
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From: Surat, India
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@raider
After reading your comparision with elm, i am really tempted to buy 901. But as now my pocket doesnot allow.  i will definately put my hand on it sooner or later.
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gedas5
Joined: Mar 10, 2007
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@ ceaser2008
we would love you to join our very happy crowd (which is still growing) of c901 users with Raiderski in the front of us leading us to shots that is sometimes hard to believe that they come out only from phone and not some really expensive photo camera |
code28h4p
Joined: Apr 24, 2008
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From: Republic of Indonesia
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On 2010-04-30 02:25:45, titus1 wrote:
Is there a tutorial where to put the "GFX"?
by some modification to *.ic file located on tpa/preset/system/icons/
And now it seems more easier since "SE ImageTool v2.6" was out even it still beta version but it was very easy to change our icon. We could got this tool at http://depositfiles.com/en/files/b8rvfobdn (credits goes to approriate user who make this tool)
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titus1
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On 2010-04-30 10:05:30, code28h4p wrote:
On 2010-04-30 02:25:45, titus1 wrote:
Is there a tutorial where to put the "GFX"?
by some modification to *.ic file located on tpa/preset/system/icons/
And now it seems more easier since "SE ImageTool v2.6" was out even it still beta version but it was very easy to change our icon. We could got this tool at http://depositfiles.com/en/files/b8rvfobdn (credits goes to approriate user who make this tool)
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Raiderski
Joined: Jul 03, 2006
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mhyke
C901 is not ready for VGA Yes, it can record but low bitrate and low FPS are stoppers and I have to give up. Sorry if I gave empty hope, I didn't expected so much problems.
ceaser2008
Don't worry mate I also wasn't able to buy C901 when I wanted to have it. The phone not a hare, won't escape
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arcmhyke
Joined: Jan 12, 2003
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From: Philippines
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nah, its ok raiderski
now you can concentrate more on Still Camera enhancements 
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code28h4p
Joined: Apr 24, 2008
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From: Republic of Indonesia
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I hope someday there will be come someone who could do miracle by make a patch as like as amir's patch in K800i. K800i former user surely know what I mean here.
@raider
No problem with video recording, now u could give more concentration on still picture development...i hope this version are not a final one.
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cyber-shoter
Joined: Apr 23, 2008
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From: East Borneo
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nah.... I cant believe thats hard to find this C901 now a days in my place 
when my pocket ready, the one is not there
Code
any report yet?
the price??
Raider
Congrats mate!!
what will be the next theme?
I wonder......
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mriley
Joined: Oct 03, 2009
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From: UK
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Raiderski
I hope video recording resolution can be improved one day, IMHO QVGA video is really awful with anything other than macro focus. I think you said using VGA and WQVGA distorts camera menu and lowers the frame rate so it can create worse quality videos, but with a stable surface and slow panning it could work wonders.
There is another issue you mentioned: it's impossible to have live switch from QVGA to VGA and this is only possible to put on phone as QVGA or VGA. But I have an idea... we could install MobyExplorer + "Full access java to FS" patch and then its easy to change resolution of video by inserting new camdriver0.dat into ifs/settings/camera then changing back when we want the original again
Also, how is this possible? ISO 3200 is way beyond the limit of gain in your driver (ISO 1000)
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=26839
I guess "C901 Elm" vs C901 pictures you have posted shows the need for "edge sharpness" option where we can have normal or abstract option.
I hope someday there will be come someone who could do miracle by make a patch as like as amir's patch in K800i. K800i former user surely know what I mean here.
I want this patch too, but until then I just switch to video mode and press 0 to remind me of shutter speed values and positions of functions
nah.... I cant believe thats hard to find this C901 now a days in my place
when my pocket ready, the one is not there
Has the phone been officially discontinued? It sounds like it to me, bad news for non-C901 users and good news for C901 users; now we can call it the Exclusive 5 Mega-pixel Limited Edition C901 Cyber-shot 
At least you can still buy it brand new from ebay, with prices starting at 99 pence up to around £150
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code28h4p
Joined: Apr 24, 2008
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From: Republic of Indonesia
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On 2010-04-29 20:45:49, anouk82 wrote:
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On 2010-04-29 17:49:10, code28h4p wrote:
C901 camera perform always better rather than Elm™ as long as you know how to use it.
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don't be so sure mate...
I Always be sure with my words, sorry for that...i've told bout camera performance not a feature such a wi-fi coz i didn't really need it yet
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jomateixa
Joined: Dec 09, 2007
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Hi!
This evening I have been reading Raiderski's code, nice work !!
But I'm very pissed off about the C901 video recording, so I will try some tests and will report results (btw Raider check your inbox!)
I looked around for the Elm original driver and couldn't find it. Can you guys post me a working link? Any 4shared account with several original camdrivers to see will be cool
I have the idea of mapping the modes we had in Withan with the zoom values (losing no features).
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mriley
Joined: Oct 03, 2009
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From: UK
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Video is recording is terrible, why did they give Elm VGA and C901 only QVGA??
Here is the Elm camera driver courtesy of brazzuka's team
http://www.4shared.com/file/257610054/e677428d/camdriver0.html
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