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doministry Joined: Apr 13, 2007 Posts: > 500 From: PL PM, WWW	Posted: 2009-07-10 13:03 On my side, I hope WM will stay as a main business OS. a w a r e

Dups! Joined: Sep 24, 2006 Posts: > 500 From: GMT +2 PM	Posted: 2009-07-10 13:22 @doministry Somehow I see the battle being between Symbian and Android within SE. To be honest, I don't think they are likely to drop WM. Should Android be a spectacular success then they are likely to scale down on Symbian and who knows, maybe even dump it and stick with Android and WM which to me would be a wise move. However, should the opposite happen with regard to Symbian vs Android then it would be interesting to see how they progress from thereon. Symbian is already under immense pressure and losing a lot of market share to the likes of RIM and Apple. They are yet to unveil the new Os and also contend with Android which will result in further losses. I see a beautiful picture of anexciting distribution in terms of market share among the available and soon to be available smartphone Oss. I must say though that chances of Android being a failure are next to nothing. Just give me a P1-like Android phone and I'm over the moon, I'll happily retire my wonderful but slow P1. It's not what you do or even how you do it but in what state of mind you do it: Dups! 2009
Legen Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 469 PM	Posted: 2009-07-10 13:26 the open source-ness of Android seems to be making it popular. do u guys think it'll be as big as pipo are predicting? of are they jus exaggerating?
rizzamarv Joined: Jan 27, 2008 Posts: 132 PM	Posted: 2009-07-10 13:32 @EMSO6 Sadly I think the form factor of P1i will not make a comeback. COnsidering the recent leaks I think SE will be going for X1 form QWERTYs and Touch only like Satio or Rachael. X1 is good and confortable to type with but i cannot achieve the same speed as with my former P1i.... Anyway as long as they dont totally drop QWERTYs I am Happy Anybody any ideas when we will be seeing the first phones with the new symbian OS. cannot be that long away if SE were even planning to release it on the Satio....?
1republic Joined: Jun 30, 2009 Posts: 3 From: Morroco PM	Posted: 2009-07-10 13:35 Hi evybody!Whats up? This message was posted from a WAP device
Dups! Joined: Sep 24, 2006 Posts: > 500 From: GMT +2 PM	Posted: 2009-07-10 14:07 @rizzamarv I'm actually hoping against hope that they do bring it out. I know chances look very slim but you never know. The thing with X1 or ANY slider is the durability factor. I hate sliders, have never owned and don't intend to own any. I am just in love with candy bars. The only non candy bars I have ever owned and still own are the Motorola V8 and the P910i. It's not what you do or even how you do it but in what state of mind you do it: Dups! 2009
rizzamarv Joined: Jan 27, 2008 Posts: 132 PM	Posted: 2009-07-10 15:16 @EMSO6 Understand your concerns, and have the same. However am surprised on how well the X1 is hloding up for me so far. I belong to those people how drop there phones frequently ( ) and who see them generally as a functional device and not something that must stay beautiful and scratchless until the end of time. Except that the metallic back cover is losing some paint my X1 is as good as new! But agree that a Candybar does add some durability feel to a handset, but considering the current development towards less and less hardware buttons I have the feeling that candybars with QWERTYs will not be availbale all that long. Anyway you never know, but just for the formfactor I would never switch to Blackberry for example... Maybe you should give the slide out QWERTY a chance with Vulcan. WM is also a charm compared to UIQ, just gives you so much more opportunities... By the Way anybody anything on Vulcan?
iksplusipsilon Joined: Dec 23, 2007 Posts: 303 PM	Posted: 2009-07-10 16:17 I am waiting for vertical QWERTY set also. P1 or P5 like, hopefully with Android. I spent a last week with Toch Diamond in my hands and I had a terrible time ! WM 6.1 is just awful, UIQ was much more elegant. I guess that WM 6.5 isn't too different. Maybe 7 will be the lucky one... This message was posted from a WAP device
my ninja Joined: Sep 23, 2004 Posts: > 500 PM	Posted: 2009-07-10 17:43 i hope that vulcan and rachael are close to the x1's in size, but i also hope theres enough room for a 15oo mAh battery plus the usual 64gb/1gb/Glass specs, i hope SE doesnt cannibalize the xperia line too badly i would hate to have to choose b.w the two cuz of feature cropping. i just hope rachael is as baddass as needs to be, they need to make a splash with the hardware for ppl to consider moving to android. man lets get more RAM/ROM
10123 Joined: May 29, 2008 Posts: > 500 PM	Posted: 2009-07-10 20:28 I think they should drop Symbian, mostly because they haven't really done anything exceptionall with the satio, the only new part in the interface is the homescreen which isnt anything special. The media is the same as the x1 and the camera interface is the same as the g900/x1. They should stick with android for now only, and wait and see what happens with there profit, if it goes up (which i can't see) then start investing in WM and Symbian, SE is loosing too much atm to be putting so much resarch and R&D into 4 platfroms. Stick with android and work on A200 because atm A200 looks pretty dire.
10123 Joined: May 29, 2008 Posts: > 500 PM	Posted: 2009-07-10 23:10 Intresting ...... http://www.yourmobilephonerev[....]uk/sony-ericsson-xperia-x2.htm
domipost Joined: Mar 18, 2007 Posts: > 500 From: Leiden, Netherlands PM, WWW	Posted: 2009-07-10 23:43 Just some stupid site that thinks to get a higher Google ranking by making a page for it as early as possible i think. Nothing interesting.
10123 Joined: May 29, 2008 Posts: > 500 PM	Posted: 2009-07-11 01:01 On 2009-07-10 23:43:54, domipost wrote: Just some stupid site that thinks to get a higher Google ranking by making a page for it as early as possible i think. Nothing interesting. I know its nott really intresting , it just shows just how fast news travels
Supa_Fly Joined: Apr 16, 2002 Posts: > 500 From: Toronto, Ontario PM, WWW	Posted: 2009-07-11 06:19 On 2009-07-10 13:26:20, Legen wrote: the open source-ness of Android seems to be making it popular. do u guys think it'll be as big as pipo are predicting? of are they jus exaggerating? Not so open-source ... collaboration is still stiffled versus the rapid change and evolving Symbian. Remember all the other OS's are starting from scratch - RIM has been doing C++ for 3yrs then from the 7280 onward used Java as a standard and IS their OS - don't fool yourself it is not. Sure they customize components from Java EE and J2ME into their customized CLDC1.1 but its still Java ... you use RIMlets instead of midlets. Android uses their own version of a highly NON-standard Java (RIM by comparison uses standard java). I see now the MAIN reason for SE to wait until Android 2.0 to be released is not because of multimedia - since HTC's Android 1.5 has got great media capabilities - BUT has TOO MUCH an investment in Java ... there ARE NEVER going to let that go because it can be leveraged amongst TOO MANY other platforms and OS and they use JAVA standards. Don't be surprised if Racheal supports your entire Java/J2ME library while HTC, Lenovo and other Android devices do not. Android is doing well - but with too much fragmentation amongst different Linux platforms it COULD suffer the same fate as UIQ+S60 recently: LiMo foundation has many of the same members as Android does: Motorola is a prime example - and will square off with Motorola's resurrection first before going with the bigger players. Also note that the PS3 is a licensed Linux 2.6 kernel (not modified like Android) and is done for Sony by a 3rd party the same third party that breathes life in older G3/G4/G5 Apple cpu products. Until Android - natively supports Exchange Server 2003SP2 /2007 and soon 2010 versions and Lotus Domino versions then it cannot compete for corporate vaibility like RIM's infrastructure (device & server products), secondly Windows Mobile licensed OS in products and Microsofts standard products, and third Symbian (S60 via strong agreements with Microsoft+Nokia & Nokia+IBM for Domino/Traveler). HTC & SE will give Android a more appealing face & wardrobe to the public consumer - but this also what SE will do with Symbian which they too have a MUCH stronger investment and knowledgeable staff and consumer base with. SE will have a 4 piller strategy initially: A2/A3 platform Android Symbian WinMobile I can possibly see 3 piller being Low-mid range Android (eventually trickling down to replace A3; maybe A3/A4 will becoming for emerging markets only) Mid-tier into the low-high range Symbian OS (around 2010 when Symbian Foundation OS or Symbian^3/^4 is hardened) WinMobile for top-tier corporate phones. SE WinMobile devices must be at this range to sell well to be profitable above expenses to code/produce devices and compete with HTC, Acer, and others.If not SE will drop it and Android & Symbian will be mixed in the top-tier devices. Symbian is VERY VERY powerful - every bit as powerful for portable devices as Android is becoming or being highlighted with much hoohaa by the press but remember their just One Offs on netbooks - nothing shipping yet (promises by 1 company is still not significant unless sales in 10's of millions occurs in this fickle space). Recall Symbian is the ONLY mobile OS - possibly Mobile OS X by Apple too - capable of SMP (WinMobile, Linux OS like RedHat/FedoraCore/Ubuntu, Mac OS X on laptops/desktops are excluded). Regardless of loosing marketshare - which is over emphasized especially when the marketshare as a WHOLE is growing exponentially - Symbian is not down & out. \|AppleTV2\|iPhone 12Mini 256GB\|iPad Pro 256GB\| Previously ... K750\|Z500\|Z520\|K700\|K790i\|K850i, :Ericsson: T18z\|T28World\|T36m x3\|T68m (Ericsson, not the rebranded T68i).
Legen Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 469 PM	Posted: 2009-07-11 13:00 On 2009-07-11 06:19:09, Prom1 wrote: On 2009-07-10 13:26:20, Legen wrote: the open source-ness of Android seems to be making it popular. do u guys think it'll be as big as pipo are predicting? of are they jus exaggerating? Not so open-source ... collaboration is still stiffled versus the rapid change and evolving Symbian. Remember all the other OS's are starting from scratch - RIM has been doing C++ for 3yrs then from the 7280 onward used Java as a standard and IS their OS - don't fool yourself it is not. Sure they customize components from Java EE and J2ME into their customized CLDC1.1 but its still Java ... you use RIMlets instead of midlets. Android uses their own version of a highly NON-standard Java (RIM by comparison uses standard java). I see now the MAIN reason for SE to wait until Android 2.0 to be released is not because of multimedia - since HTC's Android 1.5 has got great media capabilities - BUT has TOO MUCH an investment in Java ... there ARE NEVER going to let that go because it can be leveraged amongst TOO MANY other platforms and OS and they use JAVA standards. Don't be surprised if Racheal supports your entire Java/J2ME library while HTC, Lenovo and other Android devices do not. Android is doing well - but with too much fragmentation amongst different Linux platforms it COULD suffer the same fate as UIQ+S60 recently: LiMo foundation has many of the same members as Android does: Motorola is a prime example - and will square off with Motorola's resurrection first before going with the bigger players. Also note that the PS3 is a licensed Linux 2.6 kernel (not modified like Android) and is done for Sony by a 3rd party the same third party that breathes life in older G3/G4/G5 Apple cpu products. Until Android - natively supports Exchange Server 2003SP2 /2007 and soon 2010 versions and Lotus Domino versions then it cannot compete for corporate vaibility like RIM's infrastructure (device & server products), secondly Windows Mobile licensed OS in products and Microsofts standard products, and third Symbian (S60 via strong agreements with Microsoft+Nokia & Nokia+IBM for Domino/Traveler). HTC & SE will give Android a more appealing face & wardrobe to the public consumer - but this also what SE will do with Symbian which they too have a MUCH stronger investment and knowledgeable staff and consumer base with. SE will have a 4 piller strategy initially: A2/A3 platform Android Symbian WinMobile I can possibly see 3 piller being Low-mid range Android (eventually trickling down to replace A3; maybe A3/A4 will becoming for emerging markets only) Mid-tier into the low-high range Symbian OS (around 2010 when Symbian Foundation OS or Symbian^3/^4 is hardened) WinMobile for top-tier corporate phones. SE WinMobile devices must be at this range to sell well to be profitable above expenses to code/produce devices and compete with HTC, Acer, and others.If not SE will drop it and Android & Symbian will be mixed in the top-tier devices. Symbian is VERY VERY powerful - every bit as powerful for portable devices as Android is becoming or being highlighted with much hoohaa by the press but remember their just One Offs on netbooks - nothing shipping yet (promises by 1 company is still not significant unless sales in 10's of millions occurs in this fickle space). Recall Symbian is the ONLY mobile OS - possibly Mobile OS X by Apple too - capable of SMP (WinMobile, Linux OS like RedHat/FedoraCore/Ubuntu, Mac OS X on laptops/desktops are excluded). Regardless of loosing marketshare - which is over emphasized especially when the marketshare as a WHOLE is growing exponentially - Symbian is not down & out. in conclusion?

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