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absinthebri
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Hey, dave, I didn't mention who was there first. I guess you were so busy typing your Zionist drivel you didn't get round to actually reading my post. As for Camp David, how can Israel 'give back' something they have no jurisdiction over (as confirmed by endless UN resolutions since '67)? I see another poster has pointed out the meaning of Semite to you; saves me the trouble. Come back when you have an INFORMED opinion.
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BobaFett
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U know guys, this thread is just like the mid-east itself... As i see. So i say SHALOM and SALEM ALEIKUM. Its almost the same.
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absinthebri
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And let's not forget that Israel's occupation of Jerusalem is illegal in international law. They have no jurisdiction to stop Arafat being buried there if that's his wish. And feel free to look up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem back in '46. See which lot were happy to blow up their OWN civilians as well as 'enemy' civilians.
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dave_uk
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Better stop now, for the sake of those who don't want to read "zionist drivel" and for whom my lack of "informed opinion" is offensive.
Actually, it's not for that reason, it's because there's no point in getting this angry and wasting my time - those of you that believe Arafat doesn't deserve to die a far nastier death, and that the Palestinians are the victims and the Israeli (citizens) are the oppressors will do so no matter what anyone says, such is the power of the media - so do, and let the hypocrisy reign supreme!!
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absinthebri
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Okay, I'll say this slowly. Israel has the right to exist. Israeli citizens have the right to live without fear of attack. Israeli citizens have the right to live in their country free from the fear of invasion or occupation. Israeli citizens have the right to the full protection of international law. Care to acknowledge that Palestinians and Arabs have the same rights, dave?
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dave_uk
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Absolutely, though I would say that clearly neither party are currently able to exercise these rights.
I am all in favour of a peaceful, two-state solution - the crux of my argument, and I am well aware that it is highly subjective, is that I do not believe that that is what the Palestinians actually want (and I am not alone in this). If I am wrong, then why has it not already happened?
Equally, I do not believe that if those who purport to represent the Palestinians (and then absolve themselves of all responsibility when their people blow themselves up) were given exactly what they wanted, that the suicide bombings would stop. I have seen pure hatred preached in Palestinian schools and women and children making "martyrs" of themselves for too long and with too much venom to believe that this is just a territorial conflict.
But, at the end of the day, because this is so subjective, and because of a whole host of other reasons, there is not likely to be an agreement either here on this thread, or more importantly in the Middle East, any time soon and as it is a fairly emotive subject, I think it might just be time to un-hijack the thread and let those who wish to remember Arafat with fondness do so - each to their own.
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Asterix
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Hey, calm down, let's call the UN.
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dave_uk
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@Asterix
 We could just call them in and ignore whatever they have to say!
@axxxr
I think I justified my comments perfectly well - although the definition of anti-semitic was, of course, raised by the nit-pickers, who knew exactly what I meant.
I really don't care whether you think I am an Islamophobe - in fact, I would go so far as to say that some of my comments indeed suggest that I am, so poisoned by anti-Jewish feeling is the Muslim world (in my opinion) but at least I can admit it. If you make comments such as that which you have:
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I completely agree with you k700nut!...Best wishes to the greatest hero of the middle east Yassar Arafat!...Our prayers and wishes are with him...and hope all his enemies burn in hell!
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then I fail to see how you can claim that you are not anti-Jewish.
Anyway, believe what you want to believe, take as irresponsible and inflammatory attitude as you like. If you don't want personal comments, I would suggest steering clear of topics of religion and politics - subjects of which you appear quite fond!
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kimcheeboi
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@daveuk- i'm kind of tired of discussing politics too, i think i've made my point and it's not getting anywhere from here on out.
@axxxr- and yes, as the News Editor of the forum don't you think you should try to be more responsible with your postings? We are indeed entitled to our own opinions, but when we express them and how we express then is more of an issue of maturity and self-control.
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On 2004-11-09 12:13:15, dave_uk wrote:
I really don't care whether you think I am an Islamophobe - in fact, I would go so far as to say that some of my comments indeed suggest that I am, so poisoned by anti-Jewish feeling is the Muslim world (in my opinion) but at least I can admit it. If you make comments such as that which you have:
then I fail to see how you can claim that you are not anti-Jewish.
Anyway, believe what you want to believe, take as irresponsible and inflammatory attitude as you like. If you don't want personal comments, I would suggest steering clear of topics of religion and politics - subjects of which you appear quite fond!
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I can see that your mind is def poisoned thats for sure!
..Your hatred for muslims and islam amounts to facism...But then i can't blame you since your proberbly a member of the BNP....Just because i have hate enemies of Arafat does'nt make me anti-semetic...religion is irrelevant to me as Arafat has enemies who are Christians,jews and even muslims!..I frankly don't give a toss what you think, i will say what i like and when i like!...If you don't like my comments then tough nuts mate!
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@AxxxR- do you care to post a logical reason as to why you support (and i'm not exaggerating) Yasser Arafat so rabidly as to wish death on all his enemies?
the point dave_uk is trying to make is that you support arafat a little too blindly. I'm sure a good and logical basis to support the guy would certainly refute dave_uk's argument 
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axxxr
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On 2004-11-09 12:21:00, kimcheeboi wrote:
@daveuk- i'm kind of tired of discussing politics too, i think i've made my point and it's not getting anywhere from here on out.
@axxxr- and yes, as the News Editor of the forum don't you think you should try to be more responsible with your postings? We are indeed entitled to our own opinions, but when we express them and how we express then is more of an issue of maturity and self-control.
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Kim there is never a end to political or religious debate...I think i agree that lately we have had a little too much.
I am responsible as i can possibly be but i sometimes i cannot stop myself from expressing my opinions freely..Thats just me!
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axxxr
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On 2004-11-09 12:38:00, kimcheeboi wrote:
@AxxxR- do you care to post a logical reason as to why you support (and i'm not exaggerating) Yasser Arafat so rabidly as to wish death on all his enemies?
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I thought your were tired of political debate! 
oh well ok!...I never at any point suggested that i wish death on his enemies,all i said was that i wish that all his enemies burn in hell!..Huge difference as you can see....His enemies mainly being Bush,Sharon...Arafat has dedicated his whole exsistence for a independent state of palestine...I respect the man for the sacrifice he making for his country and people,His people are rufugees in there own country and the world is silent...watching the Killing that goes on both sides....Im not gonnna go into the history of the Israeli/Palestine problem as again it would never end,but Arafat deserves much more respect than he gets!
Kim Dave_uk has made it absolutely clear that he has a hatred for Islam and muslims
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So thats where it ends with racists...I don't make debate with such people.
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absinthebri
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Okay, time for some perspective. Let's have a quiz! To make it a little easier, the answer to each question is either Arafat or Sharon. (1) Who, according to the Israeli Government's Kahan Commission, "bears personal responsibility" for the murder of hundreds of innocent civilians? (2) Who has won the Nobel Prize for Peace?
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dave_uk
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Good quiz:
(1) Sharon, who, as an individual I would not defend, though I think pulling out of the settlements is a positive and necessary move.
(2) Actually, the answer is Arafat, Peres, and Rabin, jointly, for their efforts to create peace in the Middle East, efforts Arafat appears to have long since ended.
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