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bluechips
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I dont know what will happen but my future is in america! :-):-(
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Krubach
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I can't believe this thread...
Not being proud of your country (in this case, US)?!??!??!?
Maybe you don't agree with who's in command but ashamed of your country!?!?!?!?
What kind of citizens are you?
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absinthebri
Joined: Feb 11, 2004
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On 2004-11-04 11:57:23, Krubach wrote:
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What kind of citizens are you?
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World citizens.
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Krubach
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Maybe it's my Portuguese mentality... 
I can't believe that someone could be ashamed of his own country...
For instance, here, the other day, some woman got fined for dragging the national flag which was tied to her car.
I LOVE MY COUNTRY! No matter what!
That doesn't mean that i love our leaders...
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scotsboyuk
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On 2004-11-04 11:35:44, knight4led wrote:
How many European citizens flew to the U.S. and campaigned against Bush and his policies? How many of your nations sent aid in the form of military equipment or military personnel to Afghanistan or Iraq to stop the U.S.?
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What would have happened if Europeans had gone to America to protest? Bush has no reason to listen to us, we cannot vote in U.S. elections therefore he has no impetus to listen to our views. No doubt we would also be seen as meddling foreigners. What Europeans did do was to protest in Europe against their own nations aiding America.
There are only two military forces in Europe capable of effective operations on a large scale around the globe; the British and French. Even if either nation had decided to actively aid the Afghanis or Iraqis against the U.S., what would it have achieved? Neither nation has the necessary military power to stop the U.S. in a protracted war and it would have bee a complete waste of lives. To even consider this possibility seems rediculous, both nations are intertwined with the U.S. military, opposing the U.S. in military terms was and never will be an option as long as NATO exists.
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My point here is that there is an abundance of rhetoric against the U.S. and very little follow through. If you feel strongly enough about world politics to complain about them on this message board day after day, find a way that you personally can make a difference.
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We do, voters have been voting in increasing numbers for politicians who oppose U.S. policies, which is likely to increase now that Bush has been re-elected. The British newspapers are today full of stories about how Bush's victory is a massive blow for Tony Blair, the level of anger in Britain against Bush is second only to the level of anger at Blair; the next election will be very interesting indeed.
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Gigs
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On 2004-11-04 10:10:07, nickorooster wrote:
Well, New Zealand must be the most sensible country I've really seen... Johnny Howard as Dubbya's best buddy, Blair as more than just a buddy... Well, I'm sure if you behave urselves NZ will let you in.
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Not likely Nick, we just discovered oil off our coast, NZ is expecting an Axis fo Evil invite anytime now. 
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scotsboyuk
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Well New Zealand is full of WMD. I think we should invade right away whilst our military is still over stretched. 
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Gigs
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Out of the 3 stooges, Howard, Bush and Blair. It'll be interesting to see if Blair does make it back in.
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scotsboyuk
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There have been rumours of an early election in February, but more liekly it will be May. Blair will probably win, the Tories are just too weak to pick up many Labour seats. The Liberals and the smaller parties should do well, but it remains to be seen whethe ror not they can gain enough seats from labour to either result in a hung parliament or actually defeat Labour, the latter being very doubtful indeed. Mind you, the papers have been full of speculation today that Bush's victory is a catastrophe for Blair, the level of anger at Bush is second only to Blair.
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Gigs
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Scots: oh how the egg turns! 
Surely suicide bomber sheep can't be counted as WMD. 
Sounds similar to what happened here at the last election. Alot of the smaller parties picked up members while the opposition lost alot of ground.
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scotsboyuk
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@Gigs
Blair will probably pull through though; he's not called 'Teflon Tony' for nothing.
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knight4led
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On 2004-11-04 17:42:10, scotsboyuk wrote:
What would have happened if Europeans had gone to America to protest? Bush has no reason to listen to us, we cannot vote in U.S. elections therefore he has no impetus to listen to our views. No doubt we would also be seen as meddling foreigners. What Europeans did do was to protest in Europe against their own nations aiding America.
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I was not implying that you should have protested Bush, rather that I saw nobody from outside the U.S. campaigning for either candidate. In fact I have never seen a non-U.S. organization take out a political ad druing a U.S. campaign. I agree that many people may not be educated on world opinions of the U.S. and a foreign interest campaigning for a candidate would help to change that.
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On 2004-11-04 12:06:00, Krubach wrote:
I can't believe that someone could be ashamed of his own country...
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I have never implied that I am ashamed of my country and I hope most Americans wouldn't be. I would prefer that Kerry were president, but I can't change history. I voted in a state that went to Kerry, so I did my part. |
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