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Bad Traders? |
raijuta
Joined: Jun 28, 2004
Posts: 9
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Hi everyone, just a warning to all. I posted an item for sale and there was someone who sent me a message in YM saying that he/she will buy the phone through wired money transfer. I was about to send the phone and the address is in nigeria. I received a fake email from westernunion that there was already a money deposited to my account. The good thing is, i called western union to confirm this, and i was amazed that this was a fraud. D*mn frauders. He/she almost got me the email address and the letter head are almost the same. Be aware of a YM id named Denise Morgan, the real name is Iseala Moses from Nigeria. I already reported this to FBI anti fraud division. |
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Krubach
Joined: Dec 05, 2002
Posts: > 500
From: Sunny Portugal! :)
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@Sammy. I think you had too much patience. I would have got tired of that crap years ago...
This message was posted from a K700i |
dougproctor
Joined: Jan 07, 2004
Posts: > 500
From: Gosport, UK
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raijuta,
One way to learn how scammers work is to read some of the questions asked of Ebay sellers. You get the "end the auction early, my brother has a birthday soon, lost his phone, need it straight away, Nigeria, Romania, Western Union, Wired Money Transfer etc etc".
The signs are all there, it just takes a bit of practice to spot them. You were lucky!
Doug |
MikLSP
Joined: Sep 21, 2003
Posts: > 500
From: se-nse.com
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They are the signs, just steer clear to be safe.
I recently had an offer to buy a phone I had for sale. He was from Jamaica & wanted to pay with Wester Union. I refused that method, he played innocent & said whats the problem?
I just said I don't deal through WU a.k.a. 'ScamCentral' & strangely I haven't heard from him since!
Maybe realised I'm no easy target 
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arvinsign
Joined: Feb 27, 2004
Posts: 89
From: Manila
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i have the same experience but i doubted. I received 2 PMs from 2 different person vyng for a trade. But i noticed that these 2 persons are the same, and it seems their identity have just been made. there were no details on their selves in Esato. His condition is i will send him my phone first and mark it as a gift to be free of custom charges. and he said he wil send his after receiving mine. But i doubted, its just that icant trust that easy, and im no easy prey. He said that he wil trade his P910i to my S700i because he dont like that phone (he decsribed it as ugly and chunky) then suddenly i saw again a post by him in the marketsection of esato asking someone selling his P910 that he is interested and asking for pictures. Now why????
Please i need advise on the matter.
PS. his total posts as of yesterday is less than 10, so i thought its a newly created identity of someone who had been here before |
Sammy_boy
Joined: Mar 31, 2004
Posts: > 500
From: Staffordshire, United Kingdom
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@arvinsign - I'd steer clear if I was you, sounds a bit suspect to me. If in doubt - don't do it! Stick to people you can trust, or have some feedback in the 'trusted sellers' thread.
Still heard nothing from that muppet I sent that money to. 
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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sportsrus
Joined: Dec 08, 2004
Posts: 14
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@arvinsign, first of all lets get thsi straight 2 diff users and you think they are both me. Happily list the name of the other user if you think its me..... cause i have no idea who your talking about as the supposed 2nd user.
And 2nd of all i also ask pictures of the phone as a common thing whether i have the phone or its a crap phone, because people who usaully trade high-end phones ask to see pictures of the phone. And someone will ask this question anyway. You'll see it asked by many people in the forums.
And 3rd you send as a gift because you would want to avoid custom charges in your country unless your happy in paying custom taxes then people wouldn't mind sending it to you marked as a product with the intended value of the item.
If you don't want to trade as i said no problems but don't try to make it a big fuss on the forums that i'm trying to ripp you, i even told you i would fax you my passport and phone you if you really don't trust me. |
arvinsign
Joined: Feb 27, 2004
Posts: 89
From: Manila
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@ sammy
keep us updated:) thanks |
arvinsign
Joined: Feb 27, 2004
Posts: 89
From: Manila
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guys what do u think is the most secured way of dealing with others overseas?what proof do i need to ask?to check identity?what things should i look upon to?or is it just that everything is a gamble?
Where can i send best my merchandise?wat freight company?
Thanks in advance.
Peace:) |
usong725
Joined: Sep 15, 2003
Posts: 80
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if you are the seller, just receive the complete payment first before shipping your item. Dont accept credit card payments. Higher possibility of fraud.
If you are the buyer, you need to ensure that the seller really has the unit. Ask for pictures of the item then instruct him/her to put his/her complete name, username and date when the pictures were shot on the background near the items/unit. If the seller cant produce anything, most likely it's a fraud.
I already sold > 10 units of highend phones abroad thru ebay but didnt encouter any problem. I only received payment thru remittance (western union or moneyGram) or bank transfer. No credit card payments. Once payment is received, i will immediately ship the item thru DHL 2-3 days delivery service then email the tracking number to the buyer. Transaction is complete after 3-5 days only.  |
arvinsign
Joined: Feb 27, 2004
Posts: 89
From: Manila
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@usong725
what if its a trade?
Message from a hard earned P910i with a 256MB duo pro: "I came, I saw, I conquer"
God Speed.............. |
milay
Joined: Oct 18, 2004
Posts: 20
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well NU107 scammed me, now i'm trying to see if the phone hasn't reached him yet and if they could do a return to sender thing. Hopefully this will happen and the sucker doesn't get my phone.
dante robles,
753 sgt bumatay st. cor. maria clara. mandaluyong city. philippines
1550
those are his details, maybe someone can go over there.
I posed as another buyer offering pickup but he refused the transaction, i wonder why? |
p3rsmag
Joined: Nov 11, 2002
Posts: 63
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@ Milay.
i believe i can help you with your problem!
i have a contact with Globe telecom (his service provider) he is under a post paid plan. my contact can get his REAL address and other details about him, but its gonna cost you cos i give grease money to this contact of mine wheneever i want something "verified" |
milay
Joined: Oct 18, 2004
Posts: 20
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oh nice, well we'll see what happens.
The postal is doing all it can do to see if they can get thephones back to me as last time i check it, it still hadn't got to him. So we'll see if i lose my phones. I'll ask foryour assistance in getting his name and address.
thx for the suggestion. |
lor
Joined: Mar 07, 2002
Posts: > 500
From: Planet Bob
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To be safe, don't deal with anyone you don't know. Hell, surely you have a local contact that can get you whatever you want. That's how I deal... I bought my phone off a reseller that was highly trustable. He's made hundreds of sales so far and everyone vouchers for him.
Second, people on esato with less than 20-30 posts, hard to trust. God knows where they've come from and if they just created their accounts to make a scam. I wouldn't go near them at all if they're trying to sell a phone, especially high end ones.
Third, I have no idea who to believe here. It's one person's word against the other and there's no way to find out the truth. So be very careful, here, ebay, wherever you choose to deal because people are out to get your $$$$ or phone. If you're on ebay, use the safe trade option. Almost all auction sites have safe trade options so you're both covered. And to avoid any parties getting fleeced.
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Posted: 2004-12-09 03:15
