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Sony Ericsson Indonesia
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is there a flight mode in the 6600, and how do you turn on the flight mode for the 3650 |
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masseur
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ok, well this thread is a couple of months old but now relevant to me as I have been having trouble the last few weeks on BA.
I was asked to turn off the P900 three times in the last 3 weeks so I decided to contact BA customer relations for a confirmation of their policy and it seems they simply do not allow any phones to be switched on from engine startup to engine shutdown regardless of whether they have flight mode or not.
The argument seems to be "how do the crew know the phone is not switched on" but my response was how do they know anybodies phone is not switched on?
I also pointed out how nonsense this was when I have my ipaq with bluetooth and wifi and my laptop with the same and they never get questioned, but that seemed irrelevant to them.
They just don't seem to have a clue and are living in the dark ages.
edit: oh, I forgot to say "aaaarrrggghhh!" 
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Lordmike
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@masseur
I think they will learn that "flight mode" can be accepted.
Some years back you could take over a boeing 747 (or any other plane) using just a laptop (with word or excel like in Dilbert  ). How? They don't know and could never prove it. They where just scared.
My bet is that the planes electronics could do more damage to our electronics then vice versa. 
A plane can endure riding through electrically charged storms, which is in my book a lot worse then a mobile phone.
Just some thoughts...
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masseur
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yeah I recall those laptop times but its been 3 years (or more) since I had a Nokia 9110 and you would have thought they would have got their act together by now.
Further more I am a private pilot myself and fly aircraft as large as a cessna 310 with some of the latest avionics and while not on the same level as the 737 I fly back and forth every week to Frankfurt I have never seen any anomolies in the instruments while using my phone prior to landing to let the missus know I am nearly there. Mind you, even I turn it off when flying in IMC (in bad weather)... just in case. but this is all not relevant when we are talking about flight mode anyway!
I just get the feeling for being 'caught' so much lately that they may be specifically looking for them now as I had no problem prior to that or last year with the P800
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Lordmike
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Yeah, sure sounds like they are looking for P800/P900 and probably Nokia Communicator just to annoy people. I don't think they check PDA and other handhelds which you can use as phones though.
They are too dumb to understand that "flight mode" is safe. Or just too precacious.
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ansi
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Hi ALL
Gone thru all what each and every one had to say about the issue.
As i am aware there is no harm having our SE devices, with flight mode.
Dumb flight attendants.. well i have not come across yet, but am due to fly to Aussie in May, lets see the out come.
Well i luv the brand name itself Sony Ericsson and all o its products, so my support alwayz to SE.
Till then Cheers
Ansi
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abt signal @ 32k feet: i once left my old T720i on on a flight to switzerland and realized halfway through the flight and, seeing as there didnt seem to have been any problem caused by it i went into "select network" and imagine my surprise when half of europes phone networks waved at me from that crappy 4k screen! trust me: reception up theres stunning.
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johnmcl7
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As others have mentioned, I think the problem is that the flight attendants can never be sure if you're staying in flight mode or not, there's nothing to stop you showing it to them in flight mode, and switching it over to normal mode, leaving them to think the phone is fine. Obviously if you put it up to your head and start talking you might give the game away though
There are definitely a lot of issues surrounding the use of this sort of equipment on planes, more and more laptops and PDAs have inbuilt wi-fi/BT which the attendants couldn't tell if those functions are being used or not. Personally, I have a hard time believing a phone could cause any problems on a plane, although I do make sure to switch mine off as I usually don't need it anyway, although I haven't been flying with the P900, might need to take the Palm along if the attendants won't let me use the P900!
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dharm
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What in case if the attendants ask you whether it is a phone or a pda & u lie ( its a pda) to them & they later on find out ! what could be the consequences ???? |
johnmcl7
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The consequences could be quite serious, I'm not sure if there have been many cases but I seem to remember that guy who was trying to text 'I love you' to his girlfriend on his phone getting a fairly serious sentence.
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scotsboyuk
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If the rules on the plane are to switch it off then I do so, common sense. It doesn't matter whethe ror not the phone has any real chnace of interfering with the plane's systems, the rules say not to have it on so I follow them. The flight attendents are well within their rights to ask you to keep your PDA off if there is any chnace that it will be able to utilise radio functions.
I travel frequently on business and sometimes I have felt it necessary to us emy PDA\phone onboard the aircraft, however i have a paper diary I use in place of the PDA in such situations and I can always use the skyphone in my chair if need be.
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DrTyldesley
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Hello,
I was on a BMI Baby flight the other day & I told the flight attendant that I was going to use my P900 in flight mode & was that ok.
She told me that their was a report by the FBI that stated that it had not been confirmed that flight mode was safe on flights & as a result I would not be able to use my phone in flight mode on that flight....
I am not sure if she had her facts right, but I wasnt going to give her a hard time so I switched it off. I want to be in a better position to discuss this next time I am on a flight, so can anybody give me any pointers on this.
Thanks,
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JonStatt
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I still think the whole thing about mobiles interfering with aircraft equipment is nonsense. What about the base stations?? They emit radio signals 100s of times stronger than the phone itself and planes fly over them all the time. In built-up cities, during landing and takeoff, when this kind of thing is most crucial, they are flying closest to these sites and we don't see complaints of interference from them!! This is just like the computer VDUs gives you cancer and deformed babies nonsense from the 80s and early 90s.
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singe81
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As did mine, I was just tryin to remember which old phone of mine had it and you've just reminded me! SL45/SL45i was a great little phone, one of the very first to run java apps too! Ah, memories...
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Bluejackers
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This is a very interesting thread and a couple of points to add.
1. All aircraft systems are hardened against interference from RF interference whether generated internally (for example the pilots use several radio systems to communicate with the ground) and radar, as well as ground systems (they are blasted by radar all the time) and microwave. So although it has been shown that a mobile phone might interfere, that level of 'interference' may only be measurable using lab equipment and CERTAINLY WILL NOT degrade the performance of the aircraft (if it did then you would not be allowed to fly with a mobile phone on your person).
2. I always thought that using a mobile phone in the air contravened your agreement with the mobile phone company due to the improved range causing potential problems with it talking to more cells.
3. I'll bet the 'human' element has a lot to do with the airlines position in that it' harder to tell everyone to turn off their phones if a couple of people have their 'flight mode on' phones on in their laps when 90% of the population are ignorant of what 'flight mode' is.
Steve
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