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Fletche
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@MumboJumbo & plevyadophy
Men, if I may attempt to mediate here:
MumboJumbo your allegation appears to be that plevyadophy is inventing ‘imaginary contacts’ to increase his credibility, persuade others of his arguments….. who knows what his personal motives may be?
Clearly some of plevyadophy’s friend’s, Peter, email contained identical content to that in the article by Grahem Kirby, as you pointed out. Plagiarism is rife and anyway you would expect an ‘expert’ to refer to other ‘experts’ views.
What exactly is your allegation?
What is your motive for making an attack on plevyadophy?
You may have a very good reason!
My view is that while the majority of people ‘hide’ behind personas, it is even more difficult to get at the ‘truth’. People have very good reasons to ‘hide’ behind these personas. It may or may not make their contribution more or less constructive, it’s a tough one.
I currently don’t hide (Slicy and UdayandQusay are on holiday), my name is Fletche, if you look at my homepage you can even phone me. Spent my whole life with some people thinking I’m nuts, some think I’m a genius, I’m past giving a f**k.
My judgement would be, is the person constructively contributing and what are your views on their contribution?
If you guys have got a personal thing going, PM each other, meet in a car park, knock 10 bells out of each other, buy us all a beer to celebrate and chill.
Fletche
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fijbert
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:lol:
Cebit crashed
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MumboJumbo
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You PM me the details of "your friend" and I will do my own research. It won't take me 5 minutes to confirm the veracity of your info....name, company, name of the body and an email address will be more than enough. I'll put it through my "process" and we will see what we get! I have no problem apologising so long as your "expert" friend does the same to the author of the article he stole without giving due credit (credible experts do NOT do this!!). I await your PM then....
PS I have nothing against you per se but I have seen so many bullshitters in my time that I have grown tired of it. I am making a stand. As I said, if I am wrong I will apologise and leave this forum, in shame, never to return. |
Fletche
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@MumboJumbo & plevyadophy
Please don’t ‘lock horns’.
I’m sure most of us don’t want either of you to go away.
There is no ‘shame’ in saying anything. The only shame is if we tear ourselves apart for the past.
Trying to lighten things up a bit:
I’ll tell you about shame, I defended an American friend in Poland, driving around in a flash car, charged for drink driving. I attempted to represent his ‘rights’. Anyway he was released without charge 12 hours later, he’d got a history of being a bad boy!
A few weeks later I’m coming out of a strip club and end up in a fraca with a mafia type taxi driver. When the police arrived, guess who was 1 of them, the same copper who’d arrested my American friend. To cut a long story short, I end up disappearing for a few days without trial. The accommodation was great, cozy 20 to a cell numbers. Occasional exercise of our groans with a truncheon.
I was eventually released, my suit trashed, my wallet empty and my phone blocked. I tried to take action against these ‘people’ for kidnapping me! However their was no evidence that it happened at all, except for my bruised groin.
The ‘shame’ of this story is that my wife (at the time – good Polish catholic girl – she’s now living in the South of France with a 2nd rate sit com writer) divorced me for amongst other things bringing ‘shame’ on her family. (I should add that, to defend her position, I do seem to get involved in a lot of trouble and always have).
Now that’s a shame!
But what the f**k, life moves on!
Fletche
LET'S GET BACK TO THE THREAD:
MOBLIE PHONES, BLUETOOTH, WIFI, IR ARE THEY OK TO USE ON AEROPLANES AND WHAT IS THE VIEW OFF THE CARRIERS?
IS BLUE JACKING A BAD THING ON AN AEROPLANE?
Fletche
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Dj Boyi
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Nice one fletche,it's your thread,you tell em!!!
Btw,if they stuck all the passengers at the back of the plane the bluetooth would'nt reach the cockpit  |
shaggyhog
Joined: Aug 13, 2003
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Washington Post, June 20th
(FAA Commissions Safety Study of In-Air Cell Phones)
"The study group is made up of executives from airlines, aircraft manufacturers and makers of wireless devices. .... The study is scheduled for completion by October 2005."
Calm your pants, guys  this thing ain't gonna be resolved for a while, so sit back and enjoy the flight...
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fijbert
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well, I can say one thing
I've never been gven hell for hving a P800 turned on
but for some reason this one chick freaked when I turned on my calculator
she was like "OMG!! U'LL KILL US ALL!!!"
and I was like "hoe, it's a calculator"
and she was like "KILLER!! BOMB!!! PLANE!! DIE!! AHHHHH!!!"
ok, I made up the last thing
but she did force me to turn off my calculator
most ppl think the P800 is a PDA
so no worries
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P800_Zen_master
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@fijbert - nice one!
True people do think its a pda when you ahve the flip off!
Once they see the P800 with the flip and those dial keys then thats a different story!
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shaggyhog
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@fij
can you blame her... look at your calculator!! 
"hoe" |
P800_Zen_master
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are you serious????????
No wonder! if I saw that thing I would be like RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!!! HEs GOT A BOMB. Everyone turns there mobile phones on to ring for help and then the plane crashes!!!!!!!!!!!
Not from the Bomb look a like. form the mobile phone´s nice up the planes GPS system! |
Fletche
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P800_Zen_master asked a question which I don’t think has been answered so far:
Why is there a difference between using computer during flight is OK but not during take off and landing??
@Fingers what’s the diference?
We’re in a Faraday cage aren’t we!?
Our mobiles can not be received by base stations, but they can!?
I get SMS’s sat there on the tarmac waiting the odd 2 hours for my 'bird to find her slot' as they say!
What’s the big deal about using a PDA during take off, but not after?
What is the impact of using mobile phones on base stations during flight?
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Fletche
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@shaggyhog the link you’ve provided is cool. Thanks for the article. This is not meant as a personal dis!
So we’ve got a nonprofit group RTCA, investigating this issue.
Quote:
The study group is made up of executives from airlines, aircraft manufacturers and makers of wireless devices. Representatives of cell-phone companies such as Verizon also are participating. The group met for the first time last month and plans to meet again July 22 to 24 at the RTCA's downtown headquarters. The study is scheduled for completion by October 2005.
I’m comforted that Verizon are involved!
Fletche
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Fingers
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There's no real difference between takeoff cruise and landing, if the pilot wants he never has to touch the controls, the auto pilot and auto throttle can do it all, right down to landing and putting the brakes on to slow down. t's up to the airline as towhen you can use electronic equipment on their planes, some will even let you use cell phones up until they close the doors before starting the engines, closing the doors arms certain systems on certain aircraft types. A place called ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation, in Montreal, my Dad used to work there, Montreal's great) makes the laws that all civilian air transport operators have to comply with and no cell phones during flight is one, a flight is phase starts from when the engines start and goes to when they shut down. Then it's up to a country's civil aviation authority to enforce the rules but they give each airline their own control over how strict they are but they have to comply with the minimum standards.
With lightening strikes, it might hit anywhere on the plane and usually sounds like someone fired a shotgun next to your ear, it will have and entry point and an exit, usually exits through the sharpest point at the back of the plane, and you can always tell where it hit and where it exits, burn marks and melted rivets, or delaminated carbon fibre at the exit. Planes are electrically bonded for this reason and they build up a static charge as they fly through the air, discharges through the tires on touch down or through discharge wicks on the sharp points like trailing edge of wing tip or fin and elevators. |
SonySandy
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I can't believe the utter gash i see posted on here sometimes!
1. I doubt that a mobile phone would sent a petrol forecourt up in flames, even whilst in use! The P800 has a 3.6v battery! I guarantee on a busy day your average petrol station has 5-10 cars either at a pump or sitting queueing with the engine running! Each car has a 12v battery, and the ones idling will be kicking anything upwards of 45amps out of their alternator!
2. Using a mobile on a plane will give it problems! Was it not the case during 9/11 folk phoned home from their mobiles in some cases! Granted they did go down in flames, but it had sod all to do with their phones, and more to do with a couple of blokes with towels on their heads and beards!
3. Me personally, getting on a plane is the only time i don't have to listen to the incessant ringing on Nokia phones! The mobile silence is bliss!
My question is, do air crew know about the blueberry device, looks like a cheap-ola PDA but it sends emails! Half the PDA's on the market now have a GSM addon! IPAQ, do these users get stopped for example! |
jplacson
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Hmmm... makes you wonder... why don't terrorists just bring aboard celfones then stand up in front of the plane and yell
"We're taking over the plane... Don't anyone move or we'll call 911!"
The reason why airlines don't allow electronic gadgets is because of the EM fields they give off... a lot of airplanes aren't sheilded against EMF radiation and since the mobile revolution was very recent, airplane manufacturers don't know how these fields affect sensitive navigational equipment.
The thing won't crash the plane... nor will it ignite the fuel. Their main concern is the flight computers which MAY be affected by EMF radiation... considering that the latest generation of GSM phones give off pretty strong digital pulses... it MAY cause processing errors in the flight CPU, slowing down data processing (not causing errors) since the CPU has to keep reprocessing the data. | |
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