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THK
Joined: May 23, 2003
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On 2003-05-26 12:22:27, FRiC wrote:
We should've done our research before buying the phone |
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Otherwise fair point, but in the case of mophun, it isn't. This fact (that you can't run your work on your own phone) is quite well hidden. My two cents on that everybody discovers this only by trial and error:
there is info only about how to make money with mophun, the certification, etc... the sad fact, that there's no other way, every program has to be certified (unless you're a so called premium developer - something a hobbyist certainly is not) is not advertised at all. | |
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Triple_8
Joined: May 13, 2003
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I was dissapointed with Synergenix before, and I totally mad about it now. I just don't have any words to express myself! I will even pay somebody to crack their certification defense. Why did they even made SDK?!!! How long would we wait, a month, half of a year, year? By then I will probably change my phone to another one. The only think that is sad, that it would be T610. But wait, that's even better, it has Java, so no more Synergenix! 
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exosyphen
Joined: Feb 25, 2003
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Hi all.
I won't stop developing software for the T300.
I will wait until certification will become available, and then I will share it with you.
The videoplayer and calendar are next on my work agenda.
I will email Synergenix again, and ask them if they can go around normal procedure and certify the little Pong game.
I don't think it will harm anyone ... it is just a simple and small game I made with the purpose of learning how to code on the T300.
I just visited our local phonestore and noticed that I can get a T610 which is only arround $100 more expensive then my current T300.
I didn't know the T300 has Java (Thanks for the info Triple_8).
I think I will switch to Java ... because there I can simply make software and release it for T610 users.
I will try and raise $100 and upgrade to a T610 and get started on it.
It is trivial for a developer to own the actuall device the code will run on.
I remember when I did some code for a PocketPC.
It went fine on the emulator, but had some issues on the actual device.
If any SE staff member is reading this thread : Go for Java or better, Symbian ... it's the best option for developers at this time.
My 2 cents about the mophun platform : I can easily say it's the best platform I have used so far. Outstanding tools, ease of use, excellent documentation and code samples, very good development tools ... but all become worthless in the end ... and this is very unfortunate.
Maybe we should all write a petition and email it to Synergenix asking them to support free software.
And please be kind ... rude language won't get us anywhere.
I can only hope now for best to come in the near future.
Sincerely,
Robert
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THK
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On 2003-05-26 14:19:39, coreinside wrote:
Maybe we should all write a petition and email it to Synergenix asking them to support free software |
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they won't change their mind, they're strongly against freeware, their only promise is maybe to release a single phone license - but the current status of that is "somewhere in the future"
Java: somebody said the hardware of T310 is simply not strong enough for that
on the other hand, I heard somewhere that (apart from the display) it is basically the same as the T610 - which supports Java
I also heard that T610 has a 16MHz 8 bit processor, but don't know if it's true, and still nothing about T310
does anybody know about the exact hw specs?
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exosyphen
Joined: Feb 25, 2003
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Hi,
I don't know anything exactly about the T300 hardware.
If i could run any code on the phone, i could write up easily a small benchmark to exactly compute the CPU power it has.
In the meantime, please post a reply to petition I have started here, for Synergenix to support free software.
Thank you,
Robert
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FRiC
Joined: Mar 27, 2003
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I don't have the hardware specs, but I just got to compare a T610 side by side with my T300, and my T300 is faster when going through the menus and selecting items. But this may be because I don't have a theme loaded on my T300. I also have a T68i and the T68i is much faster than the T300 except when returning to the standby screen.
@coreinside: T300 doesn't have Java.
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petrutms
Joined: Nov 17, 2002
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i had a t300 before but now i`m a p800 user and i`m very happy ,no endless discussions about how to hack Sinergenix! I think that developing free t300 software is a waste of time, Sinergenix will never agree with that !
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Triple_8
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Ò300 and T310 just don't have enough memory fo java, just like a T68i. T610 possibly has 4 mb memory, but I think that the most of it is used by java, so that's why it has only 2 mb memory free. T610 as I know has more powerfull processor than T300/T310/T68i. It seems that it works better in these phones cause they have less graphics in the menus, and no sound when browsing menus. And the firmware for T610 is still not optimized, so in future it will work much faster. I know that it has 16 mhz on a 8 bit processor, so 3d games will not work on it, cause they require 16 bit 32 mhz processor at least.
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exosyphen
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petrutms - maybe we can hang out for a beer. I live close to you.
I won't abandon the ideea of free games on the T300 ... I will look forward at what the future reserves us.
Until then maybe I will code some T600 / P800 software.
Thank you all for your great support.
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FRiC
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Don't feel so bad, Orange SPV is another phone that requires all apps to be certified, and it costs money to get the certification. On the other hand, the Orange certification has been cracked, and it's possible to buy special developer phones without certification requirements.
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exosyphen
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Even if the certification can be cracked ... we are trying to run a small decent and legal business at http://www.exosyphen.ro
I don't think we will look good if we try to promote illegal software.
At one point I do intend to develop and sell commercial software because I am making a living out of software, but also want to give people some free stuff to enjoy.
I was (and still am) trying to go towards completely free software and accept donations. As long as people would donate us some money, we would be more then glad to offer free software for anyone.
At this point, all I can say is : please suggest a phone for which I can make free games and software and don't need any certification.
Java? Symbian? ... give some ideeas and a wishlist people
Robert
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Triple_8
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2exosyphen:
Is there an emulator for T300 games? If yes can you give a link for it?
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Ã’610, 3*z200, t310, Ã’3*0, Ã’100, hpb-20 - family
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runkarn
Joined: May 27, 2003
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exosyphen:
Develop software for T610 (java). Then, You can reuse the code and modify it a bit so it will work on other phones too (java). In that way you have an application for many phones.. |
drow
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Java ME is the way to go. Otherwise either settle for for free games provided by SE (which simply act as an eyecatcher to lure mobile users into buying the T300), or pay the few bucks. |
wapchimp
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Yup - go with J2ME - look on www.ericsson.com - under the developer section there are loads of white papers on Java games, handset compatabilty, conversion from nokia series games etc etc. - Forget Mophun as SE will soon will & go java all the way.
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