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Brightspark
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On 2009-01-10 16:16:07, NoroBiik wrote:
Still very happy with my LG Viewty after over a year of ownership. It has its weaknesses, indoor camera shots tend to be weak and the 250 text message number limit can be annoying. But overall its a very good & strongly designed touchscreen phone with good UI and powerful video and camera abilities. Surfing is also great with a 3 inch screen and 3G/HSPA connectivity.
But having an T700 has reminded me of how elegant SE phones are. Those little touches people have been talking about in this thread truly make the UI great. The photoDJ is simple to use but powerful, i often end up retouching my Viewty on my SE phone (thank god for bluetooth which is faster on the T700 Btw). The camera is more responsive in nightshots ,another Viewty weakness, and the photo album handles a large number of images better. Something that always amazes me since the T700 has 1/4th the memory of the LG phone.
The two work together well as a team, am very glad i have both 
the viewty has a 300 text message limit.
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gtr83
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The Viewty can save photos in less than 2 seconds on most occasions (at least on 2 of my friends'), but when indoors the photo quality is on par (sometimes worse than) with my C702. |
NoroBiik
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On 2009-01-11 23:38:44, gtr83 wrote:
The Viewty can save photos in less than 2 seconds on most occasions (at least on 2 of my friends'), but when indoors the photo quality is on par (sometimes worse than) with my C702.
Thanks for that feedback Will be posting a review of the T700 soon which will include how it works with my ViewTY. Each has it's strong & weak points which is why I use each phone differently.
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Tsepz_GP
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Awww i guess this is a nice thread to keep that little bit of faith in SE  PMPL! Yeah right!
From the very 1st day of owning a S60 i didnt have to touch the manual, i found it a lot better to use, since S60 didnt have giant kiddy icons that made the phone look like a 12yearolds phone. Love the fact that i can move folders around, put folders in folders and just completely customize my menu to what i want straight out the box. To organise my Videos and Pics i simply put the in Albums by MARKING ALL that i want to put. When transfering Music, or Pics, vids etc. . . .i simply click MARK ALL because it DOES EXSIST, and transfer via BT or whatever. When i want to set a Ringtone, i SIMPLY go into the Music Player and find the Artist and Song, click Options and click Set as Ringtone, SIMPLE AS THAT, i dont understand why you had to go through your many songs to do that. Ive found my N81 FAR better to use than my K850.
My N81 offers a large texting field in Opera Mini, allows me to minimize my Web browser to check texts, actualy i can simply minimize almost anything on my S60 unlike on my K850. When im listening to music on my N81 and want to charge it at the same time i dont have to fiddle with a giant connector to the pop-port like on a SE, i simply plug in the charger in its port and the head phones STAY PLUGGED IN to the 3.5mm jack, OH WAIT  dont know what that is, so when doing the same on a K850 i have a charger connected to it and ON TOP OF THAT the headphones connector, which looks so stupid and makes the phone a pain to use. About snooze on my N81 its a simple click of the right soft key and voila! I havent found my N81 to lag as much as my K850 or mates C702 especialy when running multiple apps. Ive had Opera8.65, Duke Nukem 3D (yes direct PC port to S60), X-Plore, MXit IM, MSN Messenger plus Music Player running on my N81 and hardly any lag if at all, then again N81 and N82 run to seperate hardware platforms, but try do the same on a SE A200 and the poor thing starts lagging like crazy because it cant handle it.
Anyway each to their own, personaly i prefer S60, its faster, more customizable straight out the box, and more practical on top of that offering smartphone capabilities.
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NoroBiik
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On 2009-01-12 09:33:42, GUCCI.011 wrote:
Awww i guess this is a nice thread to keep that little bit of faith in SE PMPL! Yeah right!
From the very 1st day of owning a S60 i didnt have to touch the manual, i found it a lot better to use, since S60 didnt have giant kiddy icons that made the phone look like a 12yearolds phone.
Fixed in the T700 & other new phones. Icons are just the right size & if you don't like seeing the icons you cam simply tuck them away in the background.
Love the fact that i can move folders around, put folders in folders and just completely customize my menu to what i want straight out the box. To organise my Videos and Pics i simply put the in Albums by MARKING ALL that i want to put. When transfering Music, or Pics, vids etc. . . .i simply click MARK ALL because it DOES EXSIST, and transfer via BT or whatever.
Check. I can do this too.
When i want to set a Ringtone, i SIMPLY go into the Music Player and find the Artist and Song, click Options and click Set as Ringtone, SIMPLE AS THAT, i dont understand why you had to go through your many songs to do that. Ive found my N81 FAR better to use than my K850.
This I can't do.
My N81 offers a large texting field in Opera Mini, allows me to minimize my Web browser to check texts, actualy i can simply minimize almost anything on my S60 unlike on my K850.
I'm not sure what you mean by large - pic? You can minimize the Web browser in the T70, have the radio playing in the background & check incoming text or anything else you want to do.
The only thing that hogs all the resources is camera mode , but that happens on my ViewTY too.
I have Opera running on my SE phone and it's a beaut. The volume controls on the T70 also control the paging. The display & fonts is so clear even on this 2 inch screen that I can browse the Esato site & reply to posts. In overview mode a square clearly marks which section of the webpage it's centered in & a click brings it up in zoom mode. Even when in GPRS mode, loading of pages is still ok because ontop of the usual Opera optimizations, web page caching has been optimized so moving forward or back a few pages is almost instant.
Its also possible to do all that browsing & downloading resting in bed & operating the phone with one hand without getting cramps in your arm after a time I should mention that Opera's ability to synchronize the speed dial, bookmarks & history is truly great innovation.
Being able to pickup up a browsing session where I last left off whether it's a PC, LG or SE phone I'm currently using is something no other browser can yet do - at least until Mozilla Fennec grows up.
When im listening to music on my N81 and want to charge it at the same time i dont have to fiddle with a giant connector to the pop-port like on a SE, i simply plug in the charger in its port and the head phones STAY PLUGGED IN to the 3.5mm jack, OH WAIT dont know what that is, so when doing the same on a K850 i have a charger connected to it and ON TOP OF THAT the headphones connector, which looks so stupid and makes the phone a pain to use.
The newer SE phones have an adapter which lets you plug in whichever 3.5mm headphones you want though having one fastport accomodate everything isn't a design I'm fond of.
About snooze on my N81 its a simple click of the right soft key and voila! I havent found my N81 to lag as much as my K850 or mates C702 especialy when running multiple apps. Ive had Opera8.65, Duke Nukem 3D (yes direct PC port to S60), X-Plore, MXit IM, MSN Messenger plus Music Player running on my N81 and hardly any lag if at all, then again N81 and N82 run to seperate hardware platforms, but try do the same on a SE A200 and the poor thing starts lagging like crazy because it cant handle it.
I don't know how Sony did it, but many times my T70 has a faster response than my ViewTY (which has 4x more memory). These optimizations will work their way into the newer phones - I'm betting the C510 will take advantage of these modifications.
Anyway each to their own, personaly i prefer S60, its faster, more customizable straight out the box, and more practical on top of that offering smartphone capabilities.
I'm glad you're happy with your N81 - that's the most important thing. Geez, I ended up being an SE defender , I'm supposed to be an LG fan now
ps. I've been reading a lot of negative posts about K850 - is it really that bad? When the K800i came out in my part of the world it was rock solid & a good performer.
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enk39
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When using either Nokia's or SE's i've never had true annoyances working with my phones, NEC phones and to a lesser degree Motorolas and samsungs have been much worse.
But since i don't use smartphone features too much i prefer the beautiful elegance of the SE's interface so for everyday i prefer my SE, S60 even with themes and customizations feels "sterile"/spartan and somewhat bores me
I do have to mention i wud prefer if SE made their predictive typing system similar to s60. I don't like having to go through a pop up list of words to pick my word( although i understand the logic of it) and it seriously annoys me when you have to spell a word that's not on the dictionary why does a big "word not in dictionary" have to pop up when i was setting up my t9 dictionary it quickly grew fatigueing. On my n82 when selecting words you just press the * button to cycle between words quickly and efficiently instead of moving my thumb to the d-pad( yes...nitpicking) and when the word isn't in the dictionary, the right softkey automatically changes to "spell" no big "word not in dictionary" message in my face. Plus when you want to quickly use a symbol such as "$" you press * and every symbol is displayed to select. as opposed to having to go option->add symbol. rant over
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Actually IMO se's text messaging interface is excellent
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Tsepz_GP
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Hi Norobik
What i was doing in my post was showing the PW that most of the things he said couldn't be done on a S60 actualy can be done just like on a A200 SE.
I find the texting field in my K850 when using OperaMini too small. On the K850 im only able to fit around 3-sentences before it moves down whereas on my N81 i can fit 11-sentences before moving down, so its easier to use when writing long posts and editing them.
Is the T700 still fast even when running Media player and other apps at the same time?
The K850 is not that bad with latest FW but it is kind of slow and Multitasking with it can be a pain.
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Tsepz_GP
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On 2009-01-12 10:54:19, enk39 wrote:
I do have to mention i wud prefer if SE made their predictive typing system similar to s60. I don't like having to go through a pop up list of words to pick my word( although i understand the logic of it) and it seriously annoys me when you have to spell a word that's not on the dictionary why does a big "word not in dictionary" have to pop up when i was setting up my t9 dictionary it quickly grew fatigueing. On my n82 when selecting words you just press the * button to cycle between words quickly and efficiently instead of moving my thumb to the d-pad( yes...nitpicking) and when the word isn't in the dictionary, the right softkey automatically changes to "spell" no big "word not in dictionary" message in my face. Plus when you want to quickly use a symbol such as "$" you press * and every symbol is displayed to select. as opposed to having to go option->add symbol. rant over
I totaly agree! A simple press of * and it even has the last 8 symbols you've used, its so dam simple to use. I dont like ANY type of t9 though, i still do multi tap, 98% of the posts i do here are done by multi tap on my N81 due to how great the text UI and great texting field on S60, i usualy find myself fiddling on A200 especialy when doing a lot of copying/pasting and writing long posts.
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sowbran
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i havent a nokia n73 "Music EDITION" but the sounds is very POOR i try to change the acoustics but not aren't any way to edit the acoustics or the camdriver :s and no menu flash, well to the next week i was so boring because i just can do nothing :s just find programs but just it nothing more :s, i really like change camdrivers,acoustics,menuflash,unlock and more not just try programs :s greetings. |
enk39
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@yea g: oh i wouldn't call SE's txt message interface bad by any means, i've used a lot worse, but the things i mentioned are aspects i prefer with nokia's interface.
Nothing infuriates me about the way it works...Now motorola on the other hand...if you want to type "2day" or "2moro", hold down the "2/abc" key to get "2" and then the phone thinks i need number mode!! then you have to change it bak to letter mode to finish writing "day". I mean that grows wearisome VERY quickly. that was 80% of the reason i sold my moto v3x
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marty mcfly
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GUCCI.011
You didn't read my post very well. I didn't say setting the Ringtone was a problem, I said setting the MESSAGE tone was a problem. You can't just go straight to the artist with that, you have to scroll through everything. can set the Ringtone, Message Tone, Alarm and Caller Ringtones direct from the artist which is much easier than the S60 system which takes forever to set anything other than ringtone.
I know the snooze is a right click, but you're missing the point. When you're sleepy, you want to able to click snooze easily. is 10 times easier because you can use ANY button, not just that one button which is hard to find without looking.
I should point out that I made a mistake with MARK ALL, I should have put MARK SEVERAL. Rather than having to transfer several Bluetooth items one at a time, with you can mark the ones you want and send them all at once. S60 can't do that. You can send one at a time, or everything at once. Not a select group.
The camera on S60 sucks too. Everything has to be controlled by one button. My new W902, just like all my other camphones integrate shortcuts into the keypad which makes life ten times easier. PLUS, with S60 you lose settings. maintains them for the next time you switch the camera on.
Plus the S60 menu system, despite the amazing excitement about moving folders (which does too, but quicker!), is so dull! It actually made me NOT want to use it because it was so, so boring. 's interface is much nicer to use. The icons aren't 'kiddy'. they're big and clear, and with flash themes are really nice to use. Plus, the menus are much more logical. I can access all my settings etc at least three of four clicks quicker than S60 everytime.
I honestly don't see the benefit having used S60. There is such a hoo-haa made of S60's ability to install apps. Who cares? I didn't find anything useful to install at all for my needs, and the more interesting apps you had to pay for. has what I need, where I need it, as well as being quicker and easier to access.
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Tsepz_GP
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Marty mcfly
You CAN mark several on S60, simply click the Hash key (#) on whatever you want to mark and the tick goes on it, sounds to me like you had no idea of what you were doing hey.
Lol you must get realy sleepy, it makes NO diff to me about snooze, its not like its THAT difficult to just click the right soft key.
Lol, in S60 i can simply click the Search app in stand by and have ANY TEXT message, Audio file, Pic, Document, App, Web address, Contact, email etc. . . .in just a few seconds, until A200 can do that dont be telling me about how much "quicker" it is to access anything.
SE Menu system much nicer to use? Ye thats FOR YOU, personaly S60s is much better, i dont find it dull either, just nice and simple, i like the icons and transitions i have on my N81, its not over done like SEs, after debranding my K850 i thought id be happy with the SE Icons but once i was done and got to the Menu im faced with a giant envelope (Messaging) all up in my face as if the dam thing cant get any bigger, my 12yrld lil bro likes it though so we got him a W300 but i think i may just give him the K850, it suits him.
Everything in the Camera controlled by ONE button? What kinda N82 did you have? Everything is done by the Dpad keys and center key, and settings can be saved in Scene Modes > User Defined and it will keep whatever you set, like i said above realy sounds as if you had no idea what you were doing so its good you went back to A200.
I find SE Flash Themes tend to slow down the phone when multitasking heavily, and when you want to put new ones in you have to get A2uploader and mess around in the FS, whats up with that? In S60 il just simply install themes that change icons etc. . .heck even create my own themes right on my S60 using ThemeDIY with no PC.
A hoo-haa about S60s ability to install apps? WOW thats a 1st hey, ANYWAY ive found many apps that are FREE that are useful to me like MobiTubia which allows me to download and watch any YouTube vids, DivX Player to allow me to play avi, divx, xvid videos, MagicKey to allow me to use my Multimedia keys in other apps like using one of my Gaming keys to Zoom in/out, rotate display etc when reading a Document etc. . . Got SmartGallery to hide files as well view Thumbnails to see what i wana send, got Y-Browser which is a great File Manager, Symella which works like LimeWire to download Music, Vids, Pics etc. . .that i want and loads of other apps that do what I want, for FREE.
Im glad you got back to SE with your W902 cause you obviously had absolutely no idea what you were doing in S60, and now posting some very false info eg the Mark Several thing which from the very beginning screamed clueless.
Good luck with your W902.
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gtr83
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@GUCCI.011
May I ask what kind of job you do? Nothing specific - just what field you are in. Trust me, it DOES have something to do with phone preferences
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Im doing part time studying this year lol, no job 
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