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Sony Ericsson K850 vs. Nokia N95: 5 megapixel shootout |
SaLiH
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@AbuBasim,
Yes I have noticed that, but I can live with that when I see the photos my phone produces  ! Well my K750i had 900mAh battery, and it lasted around 3 days with, every day camera, mp3 player & call usage. So I think 1100mAh battery will last the same. You're right, about CCD sensors being a serious threat to the point-and-shoot market, because I know there are many users that want that all in one device (5 MP CCD camera, MP3 Player & a Phone).We're lucky we got 902! 
p.s. And I waited for K850i for so long and now i don't want to buy it.
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Supa_Fly
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On 2007-09-05 02:29:11, Tervel wrote:
Whoever says that the K850's sole selling point is the CyberShot doesn't know enough about the specs of the phone to talk about it. How about the fact that it not only has quad-band GSM coverage, EDGE but also boasts tri-band 3G coverage with HSDPA speeds of up to 3.6mbps? For anyone who travels across the pond this is Huge benefit because they can use high-speed internet on both sides. Try using 3g on the Nokia in the US - good luck, you won't find anything but EDGE and that will be at 192 max download.
This is resolved with a N95 US Edition with Dual band (850/1900mhz) 3G for US/Canada/Mexico and South America! Also with a BETTER batter that’ll be RETAIL available at the NY Nokia store weeks before the K850i begins to even SHIP! Don’t pull wool over your eyes with OLD assumptions and outdated facts.
On 2007-09-05 02:29:11, Tervel wrote:
Everyone can speculate as much as they want about the camera portion, but until the phones are in the store, many things can change, firmware being the least. If you think that SE won't change the lens if there is an outcry - think again! Companies have changed entire cases due to negative feedback, might not happen with the 1st wave, but it will if the fringing is not controlled.
Whomever said that “Purple Fringing” is caused by a LENS???? It’s the SENSOR. Example many current and 2 yr old Kodak camaras – point & shoot & the 10x zoom (which uses Multiple Lenses) – have purple fringing around the corners of the images that they take. There is even the case of a Canon A40 – which has interchangeable lenses – that had purple fringing until they revamped their assembly line. No feature changes just the chip!
On 2007-09-05 04:35:10, Hurst wrote:
I have to agree. The k850i seems to be a mass-market phone that appeals through numbers and not sheer performance. It feels like SE is going in a direction that is betraying customers who look for top of the line performance. I used to be a huge SE fan, but I'm simply am not enamored by their products. To be beat by an n95 which was launched months upon months ago (ages in this type of technology life time), which is not a dedicated camera phone but a king convergence device, is not a good sign for any serious buyer.
If SE made phones to be a mass-market phone they'd speed up their product life cycles from 12-14mths to 6-8mths Especially for the top end flagship (currently the K series unless the T series takes over). I think THIS is why the President left.
K850 will STILL be an excellent phone. The majority of the time I pull my phone out of my pocket is STILL to answer/make calls OR to surf internet or change the track I'm listening too. I'm waiting till the 3rd week after final shipment & retail availability arrives.
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plankgatan
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im very convinced that, when k850i comes, it will blow away all other cell phones with its pic quality.
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AbuBasim
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On 2007-09-06 20:56:06, plankgatan wrote:
im very convinced that, when k850i comes, it will blow away all other cell phones with its pic quality.
All, except one . . . 
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MWEB
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Purple fringing is for the most part caused by chromatic aberration which is (again) caused by LENS defects.
Let's not have SE devotees making up the "facts" to fit their opinions thank you.
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SE-Naz
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How can you be sure of that???
U seem to be experts saying that the purple ting is based on the LENS...
The N73 had the purple ting, which was later sorted with firmware updates....????
Best thing is to wait and see what the quality is like... if your happy then fine otherwise go with the presious N95 or any other 5MPX phone.
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MWEB
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http://www.pictureline.com/newsletter/2004/july/purplefringe.html
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SE-Naz
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Im not doubting you dont know what your talking about...
Im saying that this could just simply be a firmware problem... and not the problem you are mentioning.
So that is why I say you have to wait and see the result.
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MWEB
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I agree SE-NAZ, it might be something else entirely, and like Plankgaten hopes, it might get better before actually hitting the shops, i was merely ramming the point home about the origins of PF
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mario2004
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Some people seem to confuse purple fringe with purple tint ! Mweb is absolutely right. Tint is firmware related while the fringe is lens related. The former can be corrected by software/firmware, unfortunately the later can not.
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Tervel
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On 2007-09-06 19:02:31, AbuBasim wrote:
@SaliH,
I know you also have the i-mobile 902. By now I think you may have noticed why i-mobile put in a 1100mAh battery in the phone, and that the phone tends to heat up when shooting a lot of photos. This is one of the reasons for many of the manufacturers choosing CMOS today: CCD is very power hungry!
Another reason is that a camera phone shooting photos of the quality that the i-mobile 902 produces is a serious threat to the point-and-shoot market. (Have you tried any A3-sized printouts yet? If not, then I recommend this )
The third reason is of course that are MORONS!  )
So you think that teaming up with Nikon to develop a top of the line CMOS sensors including the ones used on the Sony Alpha, the Nikon D2X, D300 and D3 make them morons? Don't you think that this experience has given them enough expertise into CMOS technology? Enough with the CMOS vs CCD already! Both have their pros and cons and I'm sure that a company with Sony's resources has looked at both options before deciding on CMOS. |
AbuBasim
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On 2007-09-09 03:17:25, Tervel wrote:
So you think that teaming up with Nikon to develop a top of the line CMOS sensors including the ones used on the Sony Alpha, the Nikon D2X, D300 and D3 make them morons? Don't you think that this experience has given them enough expertise into CMOS technology?
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Why do you bring in DSLRs into the comparison?
DSLR cameras usually have very large CMOS sensors, which of course produces excellent photos with very low noise. But when you're talking about the small sensors used in PS (point-and-shoot) cameras and the even smaller sensors used in camera phones, then noise becomes very high. Maybe this is the reason why we haven't seen more PS cameras with CMOS sensors so far? Currently, there's only one: Kodak C513. Look at the specs. What is the highest ISO-rating? Then compare that with the D2X and D300.
Do you think the K850i is more similar to a DSLR than a PS camera?
Let us see when the first production models appear whether SE has managed to solve the issues we have seen so far in the samples photos and still appear in the photos in GSMarena.com's shootout.
BTW, the Sony Alpha (DSLR-A100) doesn't have a CMOS sensor.
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On 2007-09-09 05:34:12, AbuBasim wrote:
BTW, the Sony Alpha (DSLR-A100) doesn't have a CMOS sensor.
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[ This Message was edited by: AbuBasim on 2007-09-09 04:39 ]
It does, It's an APS Type C CMOS sensor! same with Canon EOS 400D XTi Rebel!
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AbuBasim
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On 2007-09-09 06:42:16, razec wrote:
It does, It's an APS Type C CMOS sensor! same with Canon EOS 400D XTi Rebel!
Are you sure? Then dpreview.com's page contains many errors:
10 megapixel APS-C CCD
Interestingly Sony has gone for CCD rather than CMOS with this camera, so it's not the same sensor as used in the DSC-R1. We've no official confirmation but it seems likely that this is the same 23.6 x 15.8 mm CCD used in the Nikon D200.
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hemnath123
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Guys, stop. dont fight, wait for the results till the k850i final version comes out. The cam quality can change or might. See the GSM ARENA, said none of the phones performed well right. Study the review well. Main problem is the representation of colours. sony are the best of producing pictures in Macro shots rigtht, but thats not the case of k850i. I am pretty sure that this is a driver problem, not the hardware.
Yes n95 has got bigger sensor size, any way the battle is on. its 31:34 not 11:34 right.
even K850I has got, edge, hscsd, 3,5g, walkman player 3.0, UI Rotate, etc, and it going to cost less than N95 in cost. So.......
See how can we expect slim design, with such massive cameras. k750i camera is 4.8mm while k550i is 3.8mm. look at the difference for going to slim design.
Wait for K850i complete review from GSMARENA OR MOBILE REVIEW.
Then decide which one to buy. Stop fighting NOKIA VS SONY. We fans fight not them
Look at how bulgy the N95, compared to sony k850i. right. look at the S700i CCD camera, but how bulky it is. so accept the fact.
If N95 wins. accept it. No harm to sony. May be they can catch up next time.
I am sure if sony is not interested in creating better drivers. there are good camera modders in esato, who can do the job for us.
I have w810i with modded cam driver, work far better than the stock driver.
So be calm, and accept the fact.
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