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Why do Esato members hate the iPod? |
BlacK Devil
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iPod: plug in the cable, sync (it's fast!), and eject.
Memory card: extricate from phone, put into reader, wait for reader to mount as a drive, open up a drive folder, find your music, drag'n'drop to the card, eject, put back into phone.
now you are being silly .... haven't you heard of PC sync with phones ?
you just plug the phone in ... drag and drop the music.... disconnect and viola ....
from reading your last posts it is obvious that your soul intent is to convince people that iPods are better than   phones WITHOUT listening to other opinions or opened to debate
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supers33d
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i cant be bothered to install the disc2phone id prefer to keep it fresh in its packet |
carkitter
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Maybe this thread and its author are the reason Esatonians seemingly dislike iPods, then again maybe Esato members just dislike iPod discussions that go on and on about the same old cliche'd subjects... 
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Hlcn Twst
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On 2007-03-26 17:06:17, Sammy_boy wrote:
You don't need to take the mem stick out or anything like that, it should be recognised as a portable drive once you plug it into the PC with the DCU-60 cable. You can also use Explorer to drag and drop files onto the phone, much better and quicker than Disc2Phone. That's what I do, much quicker and easier! 
There is aboslutely nothing quick or easy about a direct USB connection between a computer and phone. My first W810 killed itself within 10 hours of such a connection, even though I properly "ejected" the phone "drives" and the phone reported I had successfully done so.
And when it does work, it's sloooooow.
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S4k1s
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On 2007-03-23 19:11:08, Hlcn Twst wrote:
Whenever a phone vs. iPod discussion crops up (which is often), there are always 10 users arguing against every 1 iPod user. I'm baffled as to why.
The main argument is convergence. But what about capability? I'm in favor of convergence, but not at the expense of capability, which is the sacrifice built in to most multi-function mobile devices on the market today. makes great phones, but the capabilities therein pale in comparison to an iPod video.
- PC compatibility: iTunes is available for Windoze and Mac; Disc2Phone is PeeCee only.
- PC integration: iTunes blows away the joke that is Disc2Phone, for organizing and transferring content. And iTunes does so much more...
- Storage: iPods come in sizes from 1 GB to 80 GB. What's the largest MSDP currently available? 8 GB, I believe, and - by itself - it costs as much as an 8 GB iPod Nano!
- Navigation: The iPod automatically organizes your content extremely logically, and the click-wheel makes it extremely easy to find specific content. content organization is entirely manual, and getting to it with a D-pad or joystick is a chore. (Especially if you have a larger memory card filled to capacity. Yikes!)
- Display: iPod video and W880 are both QVGA resolution with 65K colors. But, the iPod's display diagonally measures 2.5" vs. the W880's paltry 1.8".
- Sound Quality: If all you care about is (muddy) bass, phones are great. For clean, balanced, dare I say "reference" sound, the iPod is unbeatable.
I know this because, for the past week, I've performed an experiment. I've used my iPod only in my car (since I have an iPod connector in there, but not a generic RCA L/R stereo one), while relying on my W810 for everything else. I grant you, it is more conevenient to have one device instead of 2, especially when a call or message comes in. But everything else - transfering, managing, and enjoying music and movies - has been pain.
So tell me, why the hate, then? Does the convenience of one device, a phone, outweigh the capabilities of 2 devices?
I will say, though, that we've entered the twilight year of stand-alone small-capacity, limited-capability dedicated music players (e.g. iPod Nano). Which is undoubtedly why Apple introduced the iPhone this year 
I have a iriver U10, I drag n drop the music to it thru windows explorer, then I start iriver plus 3, click "update database" and I'm done.
Can a ipod + itunes beat that? nope ;]
The reason many don't like the iPods are b/c of the fact that the iPods suck in functionality, for others it don't fit their ideology or their style, some don't want to carry around many devices etc, kids love the phone + music thing.
I grew up with adidas and the brand (yes I'm a bit old xD), so I'm glad the brand is back again and that the phones are well done.
Everyone don't like iTunes, I for one don't like it, I don't want to auto sync my music.
Storage is no problem, u can do with anything above 1GB for everyday use, and no, no iPod can hold all my music...
iPod G5 (there is no Ipod Video) has a 2,5", cool, but how cool is it when the battery don't last a whole movie? For TV eps/mvids, it's great though.
Then you talk about the scroll wheel, it's ok, not the ultimate thing though. Think about this, in a you can push the 's' button and go directly to the songs that start with a 's', u can't do that with a iPod.
Both concepts have cons and pros.
Btw, next time u start a thread or post something, try not to sound like a mac taliban ok... it's hard to take you seriously when u express your self like one. If you don't want others to be offencive, then don't be it your self. |
Hlcn Twst
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from reading your last posts it is obvious that your soul intent is to convince people that iPods are better than phones WITHOUT listening to other opinions or opened to debate
The difference is, I've been open-minded about this. I have forced myself to live iPod-free for the last week (using my W810 for everything), just to try and understand the Esato majority opinion on this.
And you know what? It sucks. Transferring music, and re-creating playlists every time, is pain. Navigating that music on my phone is pain. How AAC files randomly cause the app to go insane is pain. Having to find, on my own, the right movie export settings for phone playback (and then having to transfer those manually) was pain. Watching the battery meter shrink to zero within a days' use is pain.
Equally painful is the large body of mis- (dis-) information about the iPod contained in this thread 
The iPod, OTOH, takes care of all that automatically. Plug it in and iTunes automatically synchronizes it. It even creates the playlists on the iPod for you - imagine that It's rock-solid stable, I can find whatever I want quickly, and it lasts for days and days between charges.
Since you prefer doing things the hard way to gain one smidgeon of 1-device convenience, more power to you.
Meanwhile, looks like I'll be selling my W810 to buy an 8GB iPod Nano - which costs about the same as an 8GB MSDP, excluding the phone to put it in 
[ This Message was edited by: Hlcn Twst on 2007-03-26 17:37 ] |
SloopJohnB
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I have used a W800i since late 2005 and iīm very fond of it... however, i recently purchased an ipod 30gb black 5.5g and i must say... what an amazing toy. Iīve never considered buying an ipod before because i thought i didnt need all the gbs and iīve always liked multi-function devices and the ipod is 'just' a media player. Now that i have one i see why it got so popular. The ipod is one of the best handheld devices ever produced imho, not because of the amount of functions it has but because how its functions were implemented both in software and hardware (design and look and feel included), not to mention the accessories. iTunes is a great software, it organizes all your songs, videos e movies logically and sync em automatically. The key to having a good experience with ipod/iTunes is keeping your itunes organized, the ipod is just a portable itunes. Many people complain about the iTunes but thats because usually they dont keep their songs organized in their pcs which makes iTunesīs job more difficult. Those people end up preferring to manually transfer their media instead of having to organize them and then syncing because its easier. However, if they took some time to organize their media in iTunes they would see what a great product it is. ( i specially like cover flow, great combination of desing and functionality). A couple of days ago i bought an av cable to watch my ipod videos on the tv, i also recommend it, the cable is cheap and its really cool, and the ipod 5.5g have better battery life than the 5g.
Anyway, what im trying to say is that the ipod as a media player is much better than a phone so if u r looking for a good media player u should get an ipod ( or iphone in the future). Even if u dont need all the memory is good to have many songs and videos wherever u go so u dont have to determine previoulsy which ones uīll have for listening, if u feel like listening to that particular song u didnt think of before all u have to do is touch the wheel and u r there. However if u want an all in one device and dont care much about media quality (both hardware and software), a mobile phone is great for u. |
S4k1s
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@SloopJohnB: quick note, all my media is organized :]
drag n drop has nothing to do with it.
... all u have to do is touch the wheel and u r there.
lmao
However if u want an all in one device and dont care much about media quality (both hardware and software), a mobile phone is great for u.
This is some bs, you know it, I know it.
[ This Message was edited by: S4k1s on 2007-03-26 19:58 ] |
SloopJohnB
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Usually when people cant come up with good arguments or simply dont have anything else to add that matters they try and ridiculize the otherīs persons statements. Whats funny about using the clickwheel? It just ilustrates how easy it is to find content in the ipod.
I wasnt trying to unveil an īamazingī truth with my last sentence, i was just saying what its usually like to most people because my post was about MY PERSONAL experience with the ipod. Its about trying to be reasonable with my view, whats ībsī about that? Perhaps it would better for esato if u read more carefully and learned some manners. |
pow1990
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On 2007-03-26 18:27:37, S4k1s wrote:
no iPod can hold all my music...
LOL ok w.e u say m8
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DragonEye
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i'll have to agree here.. the problem is a lot of people don't like to organize their music "itune" style or have it everywhere and are too use to their system. i use to be like that too... dragging and dropping music etc..etc...
but then one day i decide to use itunes (on pc) and it turned my folders and folders of music into a music database that's easy to manage and sync with an ipod. (which i don't own) but now i use itunes as my main music player (on my mac now) and also transfer to my current music phone of the month usually SE or nokia s60 phone by simply dragging and dropping from itunes to memory stick/card. (album art, artist sorting and mp3/aac tags work flawlessly.)
[ This Message was edited by: DragonEye on 2007-03-26 21:22 ] |
S4k1s
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@SloopJohnB: there is nothing offending with a 'lmao', a 'lol' or a ':D'.
I thought it was a fun line, I was told that same line by a salesperson so for me it's really fun on a personal level to read this from you :]
About the other part, the iPod's hw/sw is not superior in any way.
Did I put it out there in a more polite way now? |
voda_jon
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can i jus say one thing in this supposed chat, thats quickly becoming a flame war!...
The ipod is good for what its made to do.... MUSIC! It is a dedicated music player...
The SE phones an other manufacturers phones are good at being phones with music capability... Because thats what they are made for!
An example of this is a Ride on Lawn Mower... It is ok at cutting grass and ok at being a car type vehicle BUT a car is much better for driving as thats the sole purpose its made for and a normal lawn mower is better for cutting grass coz thats all it is made for doing!
Convergance will take a while to come upto the same levels as dedicated devices but it will happen eventually...
So please guys stop the little Ipod Vs SE war...
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SloopJohnB
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Ipodīs software is very good and better than most other softwares in portable media players. U have to consider not only the ipodīs menu organization but also iTunes which is feature rich and also very easy to use. Its hard to find a portable player that beats that combination, iīve never seen one, not even zune, but i cant say for sure there isnt.
In terms of hardware u have to consider ipodīs very slim HD, combined with a VERY bright screen and the touch sensitive clickwheen (makes things fast and its patented by apple).
It is not reasonable to say that one product is better than all others but ipodīs sw and hw are at least unique and make up for very good competition against other players so it is superior to a bunch of them. |
supers33d
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yes the organisation is good but it still cant match a alba walkman for sound quality | |
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Posted: 2007-03-26 17:16
