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A review of SE's phone software / GUI (vs Nokia's S40 3rd Edition platform) |
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With the advent of K800 and hopefully more like it, I think that it's no longer likely that smartphones will become predominant. They'll stay much were they are now.
Statistically it does not seems that way. We do know Nokia N-series sales grew 50% from q1 to q2 06 alone. S60 (and smartphone) sales growth is also more than double growth of the general market. This year alone Nokia will sell something like 40-50 million S60. (compare to SE TOTAL phone sales of 60 million)
apolloa
Nokia are so obsessed with every b*****y phone being a 3G smart phone that they've forgotten about size and ease of use IMO.
Let's see.
K750 -> K800. Big increase in weight and size with small screen (a regression)
N70 -> N73. Decrease in size and weight with big screen (improvement)
It's simple fact, a 5 year old child can pick up a K800I and use it but NOT a S60 device
There are 10 times more people picking up a S60 than a K800. And this number is increasing leap and bound every year. Many are 2nd-Nth generation users. If S60 is so difficult/problematic then would'nt these people be "once bitten twice shy". How do you explain this phenomenon?
imo, it is because S60 (especially N-series) are loaded with functionality that other phones cannot compare. There are always a increasing group of techies who likes functionality more than aesthetic/brand.
S40 on the other hand has been relegated to lower end/business phone. 6233 will most probably sell more than K800 because this group of buyers want reliable and easy to use and fuzz free phone. And s40 track record is much better than SE UI.
SE do have good products. But if K800 is the best that it can do, then it is unlikely that SE can capture the high-end market like the N-series can. You may say SE has P-series but unfortunately it is a niche phone which is unlikely to see many non-business buyers.
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On 2006-08-27 03:32:24, apolloa wrote:
Oh dear God, if nokia make touchscreen smart phones then they will be exactly the same as the SE M and P series with UIQ3 hence why they don't. And why do people like you go on about S60 and the SE normal interface. It's simple fact, a 5 year old child can pick up a K800I and use it but NOT a S60 device, it's more advanced and therefore more tricky to use as it offers true multitasking etc, but I like many others here say that S60 HAS to be compared to SE's own smart phones because the S60 interface is for smart phones, even the N80 uses the same S60 interface as the N70 and it's called a 'multimedia computer phone' not a multimedia phone.
I went from a 7610 Nokia to a K750I and it was like a complete breath of freash air, I didn't bother reading the manual as it was so easy to use and absolutly fell in love with SE's interface plus it was very stylish and small compared to the then 6680 which looked like a plastic brick.
Nokia are so obsessed with every b*****y phone being a 3G smart phone that they've forgotten about size and ease of use IMO. The Nokia 6233 is the most comparable to Sony Ericssons K610I size wise and it still doesn't have all the features like video calling or ease of use.
I find nokia's to be boaring now a day's and other makes have much more class, Nokia may have the big stake in the market share's but I think you'll find SE are gunning after them big time now.
Plus Nokia have only just released it's own customer update service, planned forward thinking or a panic response to SE, you decide.
The real comparison review I think will be the Nokia N91 versus the Sony Ericsson W950I, wonder which interface will win?
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Um FYI: Nokia DID make 2 Touch screen smartphones to date ... the 7700/10 (the 7700 was for providers ONLY some few ppl have them) while the 7710 was the testbed for true Video over the network ... albeit in EDGE form. These models where based on the Series90 Platform; which was SAID by NOkia to be integrated with S60 and is long overdue. S90 is NOTHING like UIQ1/2/3. Completely on its own.
The other model Nokia 6708; is based on UIQ2. Its horrible in design & implementation.
> I used the 6620 which is a complete cousing to the 7610 and if you had to read the manual indepth then you're not as adept as you may think. Mind you I still had to look at the manual for things like saving SMS to the memory card (something SE phones only allowed with the k750 as their the first with expandable memory, P800 did not). Either you never had to figure out how to transform a Transformer toy or build a Lego set from scratch, or just gave up when it got hard. But not everyone has patience to play with menu of the phone.
The Nokia 6280 is not bulky and its 3G, 6151 is also quite small in the 3G realm. Dont make such quick assumptions! I dont like MOST of Nokia's designs but I have played with S60 and to me its S60 2ND edition of text'n was incredible more inuitive to me than the Ericsson/SE phones I've used. However, that lack of everlasting style and stability won me back into the fold. Without venturing out of SE you'll never truely appreciate the SE devices.
I still cannot love the styling of the K790i, so I'm getting the w810. But waiting for a walkman based K790/800, if it doesnt come out i'll likely upgrade.
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@mib, now yes, but if powerful "non"-smartphones like K800 start to become common, it could stem that growth in smartphones.
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mib1800
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Or maybe SE will make successor to K800 a smartphone. 
btw: previous K750 didnt stem the growth of s60. |
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I had written a great response to your posts that took me about half an hour to type, however when I pressed the submit button I forgot to enter my username and password AAAAHHHHHHHHHHH  
So instead I'll just pick up one point, the review compared the 6233 to the K800I, the real competitor to the Nokia is the K610I which IMO is going to trounce Nokia's sales on that model as the SE offers so much more functionality like video calling with a much better UI as proven in the review.
Oh and to Prom1, the 6620 was never released in the UK so have never seen it, we got the 6600 almost the same without EDGE and I did forget the 7710 but it's now where near the P series league and I don't think it's a UIQ interface is it?
The best Nokia phone ever I think was the 7110 loved it, I might even buy one of retrophone, at least I can chuck my PAYG sim in it and I won't get stabbed or shot using it in the street!!
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On 2006-08-27 18:07:22, mib1800 wrote:
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| @mib, now yes, but if powerful "non"-smartphones like K800 start to become common, it could stem that growth in smartphones.
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Or maybe SE will make successor to K800 a smartphone.
btw: previous K750 didnt stem the growth of s60.
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K750 was only the start but it doesn't have the same JAVA VM as K800, it's the multi-tasking JAVA VM in K800 is the factor I'm thinking might be an equaliser between non-smartphones and low end smartphones.
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nokias ui is much, much more refined than that of any se.you only need to toy with one for 2 mins to realise this.thats one of the reasons nokia holds the largest market share!
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guys... if anything SE's a100 UI will keep on evolving into a s60 style UI...
i can say i'm a lot happier with my k800i then i was with any s60 phone to date... the n73 is decent and if the k800i wasn't available i'd use it... but have played with both for about 1 month now... my love for the k800 grows and the n73 just not stepping up...
if the n73 did have wifi though.... i would make the adjustments and use s60 vs the k800i simply cause nokia's wifi implementation has been amazing and it's a featrure would use often
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On 2006-08-28 01:28:59, mario2002 wrote:
nokias ui is much, much more refined than that of any se.you only need to toy with one for 2 mins to realise this.thats one of the reasons nokia holds the largest market share!
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where you´re you sober when you wrote that???
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I never drink buddy. But yes you are right - that post is not mine. Althou I like nokia I am as fair as possible. My account 'mario2002' has been 'hijacked' (for the last 12 hours or so). As you can see I have a new user name. The moderator has been notified. Greetings from South Africa. Mario :D
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apolloa
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That's sad when someone needs to hijack your username to speak up for Nokia. I think you have to be blind to say that S60 is easier to use then SE UI, oh and as far as the N73 goes it's nice to see Nokia copying Sony Ericsson with the Camera button on the side and the volume key's used as the zoom keys, that's one thing by the way that makes me never want to buy any Nokia S60 device, the lack of any volume key at all on the side absolutely useless design.
Oh and to Prom1, you say you hate the design of the K800I but want to buy a K800I walkman? Aren't you contradicting yourself there a bit, I mean any walkman K800I will be based on the current K800I's design but maybe in white with orange lights. Do you not like the K800I's lights or something?
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There are 10 times more people picking up a S60 than a K800. And this number is increasing leap and bound every year. Many are 2nd-Nth generation users. If S60 is so difficult/problematic then would'nt these people be "once bitten twice shy". How do you explain this phenomenon?
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So do you know for a fact that 10 times more peope are using S60 Nokia's? In effect you've just compared the user base for the entire Nokia S60 range against one Sony Ericsson model in that statement. Oh and people didn't have much of a choice in SE 3G phones before, now they do and I have no trouble predicting that SE will be eating into Nokia's share soon enough.
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imo, it is because S60 (especially N-series) are loaded with functionality that other phones cannot compare. There are always a increasing group of techies who likes functionality more than aesthetic/brand.
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Your absolutley right. The S60 models do have more features because they are SMART PHONES, there supposed to have more features hence why they are more technical and more difficult to use then any SE non smart phone UI.
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S40 on the other hand has been relegated to lower end/business phone. 6233 will most probably sell more than K800 because this group of buyers want reliable and easy to use and fuzz free phone. And s40 track record is much better than SE UI.
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I have no doubt that the 6233 will out sell the K800I but the real competitor the K610I completely blows the 6233 out of the water for features and again is MUCH easier to use and I can see far more people buying it over the 6233 anyday.
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SE do have good products. But if K800 is the best that it can do, then it is unlikely that SE can capture the high-end market like the N-series can. You may say SE has P-series but unfortunately it is a niche phone which is unlikely to see many non-business buyers.
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No, the K800I is not the best SE can do, that'll be the P990I, M600I and W950I smart phones which are the competitors of any S60 smart phone.
Remember at the end of the day were comparing user interfaces, and as you keep going on and on about the Nokia Smart Phone User Interface Series 60 then it MUST be compared to SE's Smart Phone interface as on the M600I and P990I and W950I and not ANY other SE phone including the K800I.
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@Apolloa I think is safe to assume you are a SE fan ! Nothing wrong with that buddy. I hope for your part, SE will soon fix the P990i :D Believe it or not, I want one too - minus the bugs that is. On the other hand, I think the S40 is Nokia's 'money making horse/cow'. Is not the best, is not the most beautifull but certainly is the one which pushes nokia 'on top'. To argue against it is pretty futile. While we 'vote' in here with our mouths, the millions of buyers worldwide have already voted with their wallets. Greetings from South Africa. Mario :D
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apolloa
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No, I'm by no means an SE fan, I have had 1 Samsung, 4 Nokias and 2 SE phones that I can remember. I just don't now why people compare a smart phone to a non smart phone UI. I now that brand loyalty get's you now where.
I have yet to decide if I get a P990I, Orange in the UK are doing some very good 18 month deals at the mo but they only offer the K800I which I like.
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i hope the p990i and m600 aren't the best devices... because they aren't that great.. i'd prefer my k800i over both of those..
the new UIQ is decent but not that great IMO.
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My opinion of each other weakneses
s40(lastest)
-slow (especially when accessing mem card)
-unable to direct saving files recived (by btooth/irda) to mem card
-too/wannabe s60
-semi hotswap (themes always reset if u draw ur mem card/u put ur themes on mem card)
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-unable to open >50kb txt files
-backlit too short & u cannot customize it
-cannot create another SMS folder
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