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Spawn
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On 2006-08-14 18:06:31, mario2002 wrote:
@Spawn - I don't know about your mother but you certainly are a SE fanboy  For you there is only one option - and one option only. Yes, SE do make nice cells but they do have their shares of problems too. To compare the already outdated P990i to a N73/80/93 is not fair towards SE. Unfortunately this is the best what is offered  . Talking about system stability - the P990i is so full of bugs - SE themself are not sure about its launch. The S60 is crappy too but certainly the more mature. For serious work I put my money on WM5 (more pda then cell) the S60 is more cell then Pda - and where does this leave SE's OS ? No where . But then again there will be a handfull of fanboys like you who will pay 600+pound for a P990i and never see a thing wrong with it. Greetings from South Africa. Mario
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First of all stop being an utter moron but then your from SA so i dont expect anything less. No need to bring my mother into this idiot.
As for being a SE fanboy??, perhaps i am and it doesnt bother me in the slightest only someone like you would find that offensive. But i have given nokia the benefit of the doubt and they havent given me anything to shout home about. Yes they are nice featured phones especially the N series but as i said the implementation of thier features is truly awful.
Granted the P990i might be outdated now with its specs, i take it your gripe is with the fact that is b rather than g WIFI but to be honest that really doesnt bother me. Fact of the matter is that IT WORKS!!!!, whereas the n80...well lets just it did work but i wasnt that impressed with it.
Hmmm so the s60 devices are cell then pda and WM5 devices are pda then cell devices...and where does that leave SE??. I'll tell you where it leaves SE, it leaves them in the top spot where they rightly belong. Look around you how many nokia's do you see around here??...not many...99% have SE phones and its been already posted that SE are top of the pile. But getting back to what i was saying....the SE P990i is a cell firstly then a pda which suits me nicely. Hell it might be full of bugs, my p800 was full of them..same with the p900 and the p910 but you see the difference is that SE acknowledges these bugs and fixes them with REGULAR firmware updates which YOU can do yourself at home..rather than arsing about finding a nokia service centre to get your oh so precious nokia updated firmware wise. Tell me which smartphone that is out there that doesnt have a a few bugs, they all do...some more than others. Heck i have a SE K800i which has a few bugs in it but the thing is that it works and still is fast and responsive unlike the nokias ive had, namely the 6680 and n80...
Yet again the fact that i have spent £600 on a p990i bothers you...why??..its my money and i choose to spend it as i wish and i personally think after weighing up my options that the p990i is the best phone/pda out there on the market. But obviously your too blinded by your ignorance to acknowledge this. So do me and alot of other people a favour, go and do some hard research and i think you will find that even though the p990i has alot of bugs...generally the people who have them are happy. Prime example is the m600i which has quite a few bugs but people like STS and Jah put up with them because you see they realise that SE will fix these bugs one way or another.
Anyways think ive said what ive had to say, to be honest theres plenty of idiots like you around so i dont expect any less from you. But im sorry if you cant afford to buy a p990i...seems to me that your missing out on all the fun and its making you post some utter drivel. |
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mario2002
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At first sorry for mentioning your mom - you did it first thou - actually I miss mine very much since she past away a short while back. I haven't said anything bad at all buddy - I will never do. Trust me on this one. She is the only 'real friend' you always can be sure of till the end -. Now back to the 'big boys' fight (huh I like this) You say 99% of people around you use SE cellphones ? Hmm . . . Should I beleive you? Or you ment 9.9%? As far as I know Se does not even manage to get 7% of total market share because of the f*ck ups they do on a regular basis. And if one looks at the 'smart cell' market, SE rules more like 0.99% You see I've waiting in anticipation for the P990i for almost a year now and all what SE offered me is a 'development' model with the promis of improvement ! W.T.F. ? And they want me to shell 600quid for it ! Wake up and go get a life SE Fanboy. Sorry for calling you that (I don't call names usually - but I hues is better then moron and idiot) . Greetings for South Africa. Mario
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Dogmann
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Hi Spawn of course 99% of the people here have an SE phone its' an SE forum Duh!and actually i think you may find people actually own quite a few other brands as well. I had used Ericsson and then SE phones exclusively for longer than i can remember until recently, my experience with my last 2 P series phones left me less than satisfied. Yes S60 2nd edition were less than perfect but if you look through the threads here so are the K & W series phones too.
Freedom of choice means we can all choose what we use or don't their really isn't a right or wrong solution but blind faith and support is just plain stupid IMO. I have no desire to pay large sums for a work in progress which is why i decided against the M600i even though i could of got one for £70 less then my current phone. If you or others are happy to pay to be Beta testers that of course is your choice but not mine.
I am currently using an N73 which is an S60 3rd edition device menus and apps open fast, push e-mail with YahooGo (exclusive to some Nokia phones) is excellent easy setup and works flawlessly, other e-mail accounts can also be set up with all the usual features. The Safari based browser is lightning fast and has some very clever navigation tricks so much better than Opera and the screen is excellent. I have had no memory shortages, no reboots to improve performance, no crashes, no need for firmware upgrades tell me which SE models you can say that about then at launch?
Eventually i will come back to SE but never with a newly launched phone unless things change. I look forward to owning a W950 but not until it's been out for a good while and is stable and bug free as the only thing i am missing is a touchscreen although this is slowly not becoming so important any more. I do admire the brand loyalty many here show to SE however misguided that may be IMO.
Your last point re being able to fix bugs via Seus at home and just how many phones die during this process? the OTA updates have been disabled by nearly all the networks and have yet to hear of anyone using this successfully and why should brand new phones need all these updates?. IMO they should not have been launched never mind sold to members of the public as when sold like this that are not fit for purpose and you could very easily demand a full refund which if everyone did would stop manufacturers from takeing the P**s out of you there loyal customers.
This is a forum to discuss phones not launch insults and abuse at each other if you can't accept that others don't agree with your views and opinions then i feel sorry for you.
Marc
PS also i have no need for battery sapping WiFi as can use as much E-mail and web browsing as i like for £7.50pm
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aliabidmba
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Sony Ericsson p990 has been released in Pakistan. price in Pakistani rupees is 64000/set (about 1100). we can supply this phone around the world if any1 want to buy. we can give gurantee of our company in England if any1 want to get trust before considering to buy from us.In England u can pay after watching the phone. we have friends there who can assure the delivery of p990 and then u pay. if u need 10 sets of p990 then we are ready to through L.C at sight as well.
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mib1800
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The one advantage of a P990 is for business use (i.e. you need to write and edit documents on your phone). A big touchscreen would help in this task.
If the above is not the main overriding factor, then N73/93 beats the P990 in every other area. So if you want a phone for entertaintment/games, photos/video and multimedia, forget about the overpriced and outdated P990. Get the N73/93. |
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every other area???? ROTFL
you´re hopeless |
Dogmann
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Well at the moment i have an N73 but tomorrow my Black N93 is due to arrive so shortly i will see just how buggy that is. Although i must admit will update the software before i start using it as Nokia now offer this and have just released the first update. I will also give a completely unbiased appraisal be it good or bad shortly. But i must say i am more excited about this phone than the P990 and M660 as its spec list is amazing, the only thing it is missing is a touchscreen and i have decided this is no longer that important to me.
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Jah
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I know that the E61 or E62 is not covered in this thread but the E61 is a big hit at the moment with US tech reviewers - perhaps the future face of Symbian in the USA! If you look at the features for the price it is amazing value - 3G & wifi for around UKP255 SIM free! Much cheaper than the M600 and it has wifi.
Anyone looked at the E61 here in comparison to the M600 of P990?
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mobman
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i admit that i'm a SE fanboy - been with sony/SE since my sony J5 (just loved the jog dial) had the t610, p900 and now a p910. So i've abviously been waiting for the p990.
But i have to admit, nokia have really taken their head out of the sand recently. Just "test drove" a N73 today and i have to say that i'm very impressed. I'm not too keen on the look of the device but feature wise it was spot on.
You see the reason why me and other "SE fanboys" always talk about how rubbish nokia are is because for some years now nokia have been selling weaker spec'ed products to a gulable public who just buy anything nokia puts infront of them.
But i think the competition from SE and samsung has got nokia producing some good phones again. I'm still not totally convinced, nokia have around 25 phones on the market at the moment and about 80% look the same to me, but the "N" series seems a bit special.
All that said, i'll prob end up getting a p990 (or a w950, as the p990 has lost its magic for me) but the N73 is seriously tempting me to a brand i turned my back on a long long time ago.
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Spawn
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Ummm according to a review the N93 has a terrible camera, in fact the P990i wipes the floor with it and the n73??, yes nice phone but similar to the N70 with the cramped keyboard layout...i had a play with one earlier this week, no doubt its a nice phone but seriously you cant compare it to the P990i. Its not even close to what the p990i can do and does, one thing i dont like about nokias is their camera's, their quality is terrible. Prime example is the n80 with a supposed 3.2mp cam...but no auto focus??...what were nokia thinking and again the k800i camera beats it hands down.
Nokia makes nice phones but i havent been impressed with their n series range at all. |
obi-wan
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On 2006-08-31 17:50:15, Spawn wrote:
Ummm according to a review the N93 has a terrible camera, in fact the P990i wipes the floor with it and the n73??, yes nice phone but similar to the N70 with the cramped keyboard layout...i had a play with one earlier this week, no doubt its a nice phone but seriously you cant compare it to the P990i. Its not even close to what the p990i can do and does, one thing i dont like about nokias is their camera's, their quality is terrible. Prime example is the n80 with a supposed 3.2mp cam...but no auto focus??...what were nokia thinking and again the k800i camera beats it hands down.
Nokia makes nice phones but i havent been impressed with their n series range at all.
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Spawn I would like to know where this "review" you saw was. I have a SE K800i and a Nokia N73 both have autofocus but the N73 picture quality is much better especially on colour contrast and pictures taken in low light conditions.
Everyone has mentioned the bugs on the Nokias but has anyone actually read about the bugs on the newly released P990?
Both Nokia and Sony Ericsson release phones without all potential bugs being ironed out which is why firmware updates are available. The N80 had some horrendous bugs but these have been almost cleared with the recent updates. There is a (currently) 7 page thread here on Esato going through all the bugs on the P990.
If you want to do a true comparison of the P990, N93 and N73 then you should think about what you want from a phone see which of these 3 phones have those features and then compare them.
Before anyone says I'm a Nokia fanboy, I'm not, I have had all of the "headline" SE phones since the T68i and I think they make some great phones but so do Nokia.
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etaab
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http://my-symbian.com/s60v3/review_n93.php
^ Gave a pretty harsh review of the N93 and its camera.
Personally though, of images taken by both phones i prefer the N93 over the P990i camera any day. Sure, ive not got my hands on one to fully test it yet, but of those i have seen taken with the N93 they impress me more than the P990i.
Its funny how some sites can take excellent pictures with the N93 for their reviews, and then some other websites take really poor pictures.
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pow1990
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On 2006-08-31 17:50:15, Spawn wrote:
Ummm according to a review the N93 has a terrible camera, in fact the P990i wipes the floor with it and the n73??, yes nice phone but similar to the N70 with the cramped keyboard layout...i had a play with one earlier this week, no doubt its a nice phone but seriously you cant compare it to the P990i. Its not even close to what the p990i can do and does, one thing i dont like about nokias is their camera's, their quality is terrible. Prime example is the n80 with a supposed 3.2mp cam...but no auto focus??...what were nokia thinking and again the k800i camera beats it hands down.
Nokia makes nice phones but i havent been impressed with their n series range at all.
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well i havent seen a review of this maybe because the p990's camera isn't good enuff so therefore they didnt bother to compare? im sorry but i have too see the pictures too see a sonyericsson 2mp cam beat a nokia carl zeiss 3.2mp cam
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On 2006-09-01 18:21:38, etaab wrote:
http://my-symbian.com/s60v3/review_n93.php
^ Gave a pretty harsh review of the N93 and its camera.
Personally though, of images taken by both phones i prefer the N93 over the P990i camera any day. Sure, ive not got my hands on one to fully test it yet, but of those i have seen taken with the N93 they impress me more than the P990i.
Its funny how some sites can take excellent pictures with the N93 for their reviews, and then some other websites take really poor pictures.
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@ my-symbian you can see zoomed parts of p990 and n93 photos taken with same light conditions - and you can clearly see n93´s has much more noise than P990´s, no doubt about that...be it a good or a bad photo, n93 has more noise |
Dogmann
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Hi all,
As the very proud owner of a Black N93 for just under 24hrs i have to say this is an excellent phone. It is only slightly larger than a P910i. It's build is Solid and tactile and it oozes quality. The screen is simply stunning even watching Kill Bill in landscape mode the picture has excellent definition and quality of colour. On inserting the Sim card for the first time the phone connects to your network and downloads all Internet, Wap and MMS settings and installs them. On connecting and synching with the PC suite for the first time all my Outlook contacts, diary and notes are on the phone on inserting the 1gb memory card from my N73 this phone is running everything the same as my previous phone inside of 20 minutes to say i am impressed is an under statement.
Web browsing causes no crashes or shutting down of apps and is fast over 3G still to try via WiFi. This is my second phone with the new Safari Browser and i love it especially the mini map view is useful. You use a mouse controlled via the D pad and this is both responsive and easy to place and then click. I am still getting to learn about this phone but so far i really like it, I have taken 1 picture and to be honest it is as good as from my N73 so that is good enough for my needs.
There is already an update that increases Ram at startup from 18.8mb up to 24.75mb, so maybe there is hope this sort of gain can be made with the P990. I really do not think it is fair to compare these products as one is slightly more Business oriented whilst the other is towards MultiMedia. One is a touchscreen device and has a full qwerty keyboard the other doesn't they are very different though both may accomplish the same tasks.
Finally the price i hope you are sitting down for this £99.99 with a 12 month £30.00 per month 200 xnet minutes +250sms total cost £459.99.
I have still to set up the media centre and WiFi and am curious to see how well implemented it is and if it is easy to setup. To who ever said the K800 either shows or takes better video please be real. Below are some of the basic specs that show why at this point in time this really is the cutting edge smartphone and is better speced than any of its rivals.
330mhz processor with 3d graphics accelerator chip
50mb Ram currently 18.8mb on startup upgrading to 24.75mb with first firmware available for download within the next week.
WiFi b/g, Home media software.
Video capture 640x480 30fps
3.2megapixel Carl Zeiss lens, flash good to 1.5m
That to me are some of the major specs the full spec is far too long to list here.
I am happy with my choice for me it does what i want well, but I am not saying everyone would or should have one but to mock it without having seen it just because its not from SE is wrong IMO.
Also we need to understand alot of the units that are used in reviews are far from reatil versions whatever the manfacturers may say. It is foolhardy to rely solely on early reviews of any of the units IMO.
Marc
These are not examples of pics as i am in too much pain and on heavy meds so can't even focus my own eyes never mind a camera.
http://www.esato.com/board/img.php?id=56835
http://www.esato.com/board/img.php?id=56836
http://www.esato.com/board/img.php?id=56834
http://www.esato.com/board/img.php?id=56833 |
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