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PeterKay
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Chapter 40 Verses 17-21 from the Holy Quran state:
"That Day will every soul be requited for what it earned; no injustice will there be that Day, for Allah (God) is Swift in taking account.
Warn them of the Day that is (ever) drawing near, when the hearts will (come) right up to the throats to choke (them); No intimate friend nor intercessor will the wrong-doers have, who could be listened to.
Allah (God) knows of (the tricks) that deceive with the eyes, and all that the hearts (of men) conceal.
And Allah (God) will judge with (justice and) Truth: but those whom (men) invoke besides Him, will not (be in a position) to judge at all. Verily it is Allah (alone) Who hears and sees (all things).
Do they not travel through the earth and see what was the End of those before them? They were even superior to them in strength, and in the traces (they have left) in the land: but Allah (God) did call them to account for their sins, and none had they to defend them against Allah."
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scotsboyuk
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@PeterKay
Is that your quote from islam from today?  Would you like to nominate tomorrow's religion?
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vanquish
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Could I ask something.
Where do Islamic extreme terrorists get their beliefs from? That allah will have mercy on them for killing people. just a question... ive nver understood.
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axxxr
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On 2005-07-16 13:55:34, vanquish wrote:
Could I ask something.
Where do Islamic extreme terrorists get their beliefs from? That allah will have mercy on them for killing people. just a question... ive nver understood.
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I will answer this one if you don't mind mate?
One thing that most people do not seem to understand that Islam and Terrorists have no link..Terrorism in the Holy Quran is completely rejected and forbidden which most people don't know...Terrorists do what they do because they are cold blooded killers and thats it....If you remember the IRA when they were bombing london no one ever said they were Christian Fundamentalists did they?..their were simply out to kill for Political gain and so do these so called Islamic fanatics...they are just out to do to make a political statement and nothing more...if they think they will enter heaven after killing 54 people then they are very mistaken.
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scotsboyuk
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I suppose a valid question would be what justification they find in Islam for their actions though. They appear to root their beliefs and actions in Islam. What is it that they are using to do that?
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axxxr
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On 2005-07-16 14:15:27, scotsboyuk wrote:
I suppose a valid question would be what justification they find in Islam for their actions though. They appear to root their beliefs and actions in Islam. What is it that they are using to do that?
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The justification they have is quite valid in some ways,but nothing ever justifies killing innocent people...They do it because all of the injustice that is happening in Iraq and Palestine against muslims,100.000's of innocent muslim brothers and sisters murdered by the americans and british forces..all for what?...These terrorists who carry out such acts what to highlight an issue that no one seems to care about; when people are dieing over their everyday...Also by killing people here they see this as revenge for the innocents murdered over in the middle east...and eye for an eye so to speak...Now you will ask where does Islam comes to all of this?...Well it does and it does'nt..because in Islam it clearly states that every muslim is a brother and every muslim women is a sister to each other and a muslims job is to protect their fellow muslims..and so hence these terrorists are born.
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scotsboyuk
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@axxxr
That still doesn't make very much sense to me. Why do these terrorists blow up fellow Muslims then?
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PeterKay
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Axxxr, well said and true words if i may say so.
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scotsboyuk
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Also, does Islam advocate the policy of 'an eye for an eye'?
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axxxr
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On 2005-07-16 14:33:27, scotsboyuk wrote:
@axxxr
That still doesn't make very much sense to me. Why do these terrorists blow up fellow Muslims then?
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Well you have to remember like i said earlier is that these terrorists have reached a point of desperation that they see no where out but to do what they they have to do...which is to kill,they are in a way blinded by their hate and thinking about innocents coming in their way is the last thing on their minds and they are prepared to die themselves.
If you your refering to the muslims killing fellow muslims in Iraq then that is a completely seperate issues..because its more to do with them being cold blooded killers and Politics..these insurgents who carry out these attacks are purely doing it to undermine and destabalise the powers that be...and their is obviously a shia and sunni devide also in Iraq....you have to remember that most of the terrorists in Iraq are not even Iraqi;s but foreign trained Sunni fighters who are against Shia's ..and Sunni's do not consider shia's to be muslim...its quite completed.
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scotsboyuk
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What I still don't understand is how these people do find nay justification in Islam if, as PeterKay has said and indeed quoted, it is a religion of peace. PeterKay has mentioned that Islam does not promote violence and my own understanding was that Islam does not advocate the forceful conversion of others. These terrorists also seem to wish to force their beliefs on others.
Where are these people getting that justification from? I am not overly familiar with the intracies of Islam, but where does the concept of 'Jihad' come into this?
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Like Scotsboy, I am intrigued to know how these terrorists have managed to subvert parts of Islam and the Quran to believe that killing non-believers and 'crusaders' will lead them to heaven and many virgins. I also read somewhere that some of these people simply hate the Western way of life, and want to convert the whole world to their way of thinking.... or make it burn instead. I'm not knocking Islam here, just trying to understand where these people have perverted a peaceful, ancient and honourable religion.
Correct me if I'm wrong PK, but doesn't 'Jihad' actually mean 'daily struggle', as in the daily routine and it's trials and tribulations, rather than 'Holy War'?
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PeterKay
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On 2005-07-16 14:55:35, Sammy_boy wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong PK, but doesn't 'Jihad' actually mean 'daily struggle', as in the daily routine and it's trials and tribulations, rather than 'Holy War'?
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Absolutely 100% correct buddy.
I do Jihad every day in my personal life, the way i do Jihad is fight the satan when he tries to make me do evil, when he tries to stop me pray 5 times a day, Jihad means daily struggle as sammy_boy said and it happens every day in my life. These terrorists use the word Jihad incorrectly and what they do is totally wrong according to the Holy Quran which states in a verse 'A person who kills one human is like a person who has killed the whole of mankind'.
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amnesia
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look its pretty simple.
Islam is a religion of peace.
Terrorists who kill in the name of Islam use religion as an excuse to get naive followers.
(just as King's used to use Christianity to control and have power)
You can't confuse wars between countries with the terrorist acts that are happening now.
One is completely political and economical, and the other is political with another agenda (i.e. showing Americans that they will not sit down and take beating)
another thing to note, could at be that these Terrorists are not Muslims at all? Perhaps they're masquerading to ruin the Arab and Muslim reputation. Perhaps they are the example of the first wave of the Anti-christs movements (perhaps too extreme and religion thinking here).
Lots of Arabic people say that BinLaden works for the US. (here's a conspiracy theory for you)
there are alot of possiblities.
Oh and alot of Muslims believe in an eye for an eye.
But there are limits to this belief.
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Sammy_boy
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@PK - I thought it was! 
I wonder if these extremists have read that verse you just quoted? The only other thing I can think of is that 'non-believers' have been demonised by these extremists and considered 'non-human' so they can kill with impunity. These people are indeed not Muslims, certainly not in the accepted sense anyway. Goodness knows who they are and where they come from, and where these extremist leaders/clerics get their ideas and theories from!
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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