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On 2008-02-22 00:44:14, max_wedge wrote:
I agree the problem is probably a technically based issue with UIQ, but SE could solve it quicker if they thought it was necessary, by throwing more resources at the problem. Since they haven't bothered to max out the effort on fixing the problem just yet, I assume they don't think they will lose out too much by not having it in UIQ phones for the next 12 months.
I also think it's hardly likely that they turned to WM just to provide HSDPA in a smartphone. The WM strategy has nothing to do with HSDPA imho, but more to do with capturing some of the strong WM marketshare.
Max_wedge, as a P990i owner that's working on a UIQ3 platform, I know full well how they "max out" their effort. I seriously doubt SE has the ability at all technically to support HSDPA with the present UIQ platform because now even the mid-range, non-smartphone K660 has HSDPA. Look, it's obvous it has more meaning in a smartphone than a dumbphone and I'm sure they already see its importance, I just can't
see why they don't "see" the need when they have provided the technology to other phones whose target users don't even give a hoot about HSDPA as you mentioned.
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Hello!
I wonder if G900 and G700 has any play/pause button for music/radio? It's very convienient to be able to start/stop music without having to enter the phone menu.
How about the softkeys in the lower part of the screen. Are they working as in the K850? My friend, who has an K850, is disappointed with these keys, since he rather often accidently presses the button with his chin, when mobile talking. This leads to the phone sending SMS without his knowledge, for example. Has SE done anything to prevent these things from happening with G-series?
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@eztoril
One of the many advantages of a smartphone is the ability to customize your phone just the way you want it, and with a shortcut menu at your display screen similar to that of P1, you can assign the media player button to it and access it in a single touch, just like a dedicated hardware button even if it doesn't have one which brings me to the same question, is there one on the G900?
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Greetings
I've seen a lot being debated about the G-series processor here....From what I've read here...the G-series is based on a new processor....the EMP (Ericsson Mobile Platform) Arm 9.....so I wanted to clarify something....
Actually, Symbian smartphones typically need a baseband processor and an applications processor...hence the dual core architecture......so in the case of SE UIQ phones, EMP is the baseband processor and NXP is the application processor....This means even the W960/P1i etc all use EMP and NXP apps processors.
As we've heard G series has the EMP processor, then I guess they don't have the nexperia chip...or maybe it may be that processor wise there's nothing's new in the G series!!
But I can see the speed has been improved a lot...so I guess we'll just have to wait and see if we can get more news on how SE did this.....
Here's a bit about Ericsson Mobile Platforms
Ericsson Mobile Platforms offers complete, end-to-end interoperability tested platforms across 2.5 and 3G. A common software platform for GPRS, EDGE, WCDMA, and HSPA terminals enables application portability, stability and security, and state-of-the-art power consumption and size. Ericsson has the smallest, most cost-optimized HSPA chipset in the market, making it possible for its customer to enable ultra-small HSPA phones.
by the way....this is a bit off topic...but as we are talking about processors....we know currently SE is using EMP processors....the next generation of processors is going to be 'U500 mobile platform'
The U500 mobile platform is a highly integrated solution with three ARM11 CPUs providing world class multimedia performance including a 12 Mpix camera, camcorder (MPEG4, H.264 D1@30fps), TV-out, MIPI camera and Display I/F, HW Video Encoding and Decoding D1(H.263, H.264, MPEG4 (AS), VC1, DivX,), and Mobile TV (MBMS phase 2, DVB-H, Unicast). Connectivity solutions include WLAN 802.11, wireless USB(UWB) and high speed USB. The U500 supports quad-band WCDMA radio, 7.2/5.76Mbps HSPA broadband capabilities, a world class security solution as well as highly optimized power consumption.
The U500 is the first mobile platform to support 4x full-scene anti-aliasing (FSAA) with no performance penalty, boosting the quality of all graphics rendered to the screen. ARM Mali software will be provided as an integral part of the U500 platform software. The close link between graphics processor and middleware (the Mali Graphics Stack) reduces the time-to-market and integration risks for handset manufacturers. As well as the Khronos standards, the Mali software supports the Java JSR standards for 3D and vector graphics maximizing the options for third-party software developers and backwards-compatibility with existing Ericsson platforms.
I have posted more about it here:
http://forums.se-nse.net/index.php?showtopic=22847
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BoyBawang
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I love the sticky NOTES improvement of G900/G700. Finaly we have a true handheld organizer! Wait, is Voice Recording in the NOTES included? Voice Recording in the NOTES application is very useful especialy while driving.. |
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the good thing abut g900 is it has wifi and that cooll but the disadvantage is it runs Symbian OS v9.1 UIQ 3.0 . now ther is 9.2 uiq 3.1 and 9.3 uiq 9.2 or 9.3 i think ?? . I'm just waiting for the g900i to come in store its defently my next phone. |
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On 2008-02-23 21:31:29, mode wrote:
@eztoril
One of the many advantages of a smartphone is the ability to customize your phone just the way you want it, and with a shortcut menu at your display screen similar to that of P1, you can assign the media player button to it and access it in a single touch, just like a dedicated hardware button even if it doesn't have one which brings me to the same question, is there one on the G900?
Well, this is true. However, you need the extra moment of unlocking the phone to be able to press any softkey button. A hardware button (like the one I have on the left side of my K800) is pausing/resuming music even if the phone lock is enabled. Very convienient!
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On 2008-02-24 10:39:02, kurt_karun wrote:
Greetings
I've seen a lot being debated about the G-series processor here....From what I've read here...the G-series is based on a new processor....the EMP (Ericsson Mobile Platform) Arm 9.....so I wanted to clarify something....
Actually, Symbian smartphones typically need a baseband processor and an applications processor...hence the dual core architecture......so in the case of SE UIQ phones, EMP is the baseband processor and NXP is the application processor....This means even the W960/P1i etc all use EMP and NXP apps processors.
This wasn't always the case with Symbian phones; needing 2 seperate cpu's. Many today are so advanced they need dualcore.
On 2008-02-24 10:39:02, kurt_karun wrote:
As we've heard G series has the EMP processor, then I guess they don't have the nexperia chip...or maybe it may be that processor wise there's nothing's new in the G series!!
doesn't NXP = nexperia? Just an abbreviation N (ne) X (x) P (peria) ?? Just curious as the defination of the NXP abbreviation is not given by SE or in any documention I've found or seen in posts, threads around the net.
On 2008-02-24 10:39:02, kurt_karun wrote:
Here's a bit about Ericsson Mobile Platforms
Ericsson Mobile Platforms offers complete, end-to-end interoperability tested platforms across 2.5 and 3G. A common software platform for GPRS, EDGE, WCDMA, and HSPA terminals enables application portability, stability and security, and state-of-the-art power consumption and size. Ericsson has the smallest, most cost-optimized HSPA chipset in the market, making it possible for its customer to enable ultra-small HSPA phones.
unfortunately there is no gaurantee that HSPA (which simply is HSDPA + HSUPA combined) or other wild advancements will be combined in a Symbian phone.
Kurt you provided good information.
On 2008-02-17 08:50:15, mode wrote:
HSDPA is data technology, data technology is the lifeline of communication and communication is the name of SE's business. How can they brand a cutting edge data technology as "not yet viable" if they expect to be leaders in communication? HSDPA is too futuristic? Too ahead of its time? Too niche a market? C'mon we all know that to be highly unlikely, if it's not viable yet then it shouldn't be in any of SE's phones right now.
You've answered your own questions with your own statements. Remember SE, jsut like Motorola, Siemens, and much better than Nokia is in the phone market to make money. BAR NONE! putting UMTS chipsets and abilities since the dawn of 3G was to get into the mass market - even at a cost - as the appeal of Video Calling just began some 3-4yrs ago. Smartphones didn't sell NEARLY as well as they did today. Now with HSDPA so readily available - I still believe UIQ's development has been limited in the G series via the choice of Symbian core OS in use - its not needed so much for smartphones with low application library. You can agree that UIQ's application library is dwarfed by S60. Most business users still use WiFi connections for corporate application usuage than 3G.
Windows Mobile likes to brag about the amount of sales it has over BlackBerry & UIQ alike. However if we focus on the amount of business users those numbers reflect they pale by comparison to BlackBerry, and Symbian based (S60/UIQ) together in the worldwide market.
HSDPA will not accelarate UIQ3 application library which helps drive UIQ device sales in the corporate market - G series focus. In the consumer market its bandwidth and mobile cloud services that drive the hardware sales or application development; ie Motorola Z8/10 with 3G driving SKY application and mobile TV service development.
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in the review on GSMARENA it says that the price of G900 would be round 300€...isn't that a bit low...for a device with WLAN, 5Mpix, touch-auto focus....if it will be 300€...then with operator contract you could easily get it for like 150€...thats kinda nice...isn't it  |
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Yeah..NXP stands for the nexperia processor....SE UIQ phones have the Philips Nexperia PNX 4008
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On 2008-02-22 20:45:11, mode wrote:
Max_wedge, as a P990i owner that's working on a UIQ3 platform, I know full well how they "max out" their effort. I seriously doubt SE has the ability at all technically to support HSDPA with the present UIQ platform because now even the mid-range, non-smartphone K660 has HSDPA. Look, it's obvous it has more meaning in a smartphone than a dumbphone and I'm sure they already see its importance, I just can't
see why they don't "see" the need when they have provided the technology to other phones whose target users don't even give a hoot about HSDPA as you mentioned.
Actually I think I'm coming around to your way of thinking, but I still think there is a a view in SE that it's not so critical yet to include HSDPA in their smartphones. But I do agree with you that if they weren't having tech problems with it they'd have it in UIQ already. Perhaps they are waiting for UIQ4 to implement HSDPA in smartphones.
However I still think that you are overestimating the appeal of HSDPA to business generally - most businesses (not all but most) still only use smartphones for email and light browsing - hell, even remote access or vpn to the office via laptop or pda is still more than doable on normal 3G so HSDPA isn't in my mind an absolute business requirement yet. (I use my K800 as a modem for the laptop - but I rarely miss my office broadband speeds when I'm out and about). Also because I have office based broadband, I can remote into my work pc from my K800/3G connected laptop whenever I want and use my office machine to manage large downloads (using my cable speed of up to 10Mbps).
In Australia, business use of mobile broadband is mostly utilised via usb adapters that support HSDPA, for use in laptops. Using one's phone as a primary source of connection is not really a common business mode. Maybe it's different in Europe, but I suspect it's not that different.
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G900 preview available on Phonearena:
http://www.phonearena.com/htm[....]900-Preview-review-r_1912.html
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n3o
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how odd that the white papers of G700 and G900 are still not avalible on the SE website...(ok I have the first version of them)...I think they are rewriting them...I hope the would not cancel to much of the bundled items...such as GPS enabler... |
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another positive preview...
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On 2008-02-26 16:08:55, n3o wrote:
how odd that the white papers of G700 and G900 are still not avalible on the SE website...(ok I have the first version of them)...I think they are rewriting them...I hope the would not cancel to much of the bundled items...such as GPS enabler...
I hope nothing is removed from the G900 - feature-wise....cos i have my eyes on it,else might change my mind | |
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