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DarKMaGiCiaN
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I dont hate this phone. I just dont understand why some people are so smitten by this phone that they are willing to twist the reality to make the K850 something that it is not.
that because they own the phone and they know exactly how good is the camera
they dont depend on others reviews
So you are just speculating?
did you read the example I gave ^_*
Some shots by K850 gives more details (but with all the wrong color ).
I agree with you that some of the K850i shots are reddish and that effect on the general pic but that can be solved
in your test for the sharpness
even it is in hard
but still the details of the back tree is lost
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mib1800
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On 2007-11-13 06:00:25, DarKMaGiCiaN wrote:
that because they own the phone and they know exactly how good is the camera
they dont depend on others reviews
True. You can believe what you want. But it is arrogant and over-presumptous to say as general statement that it is better than N95 when other proof (like the reviews I posted) point to the opposite. 
I agree with you that some of the K850i shots are reddish and that effect on the general pic but that can be solved
You can kid yourself all you want but Purple fringing cannot be solved by software. 
in your test for the sharpness
even it is in hard
but still the details of the back tree is lost
That's because I did not point the cam over the horizon. The focus is on the foreground pool. Trees in the foreground using the soft and medium sharpness setting has little sharpening effect and yet details is still quite acceptable. And there is no noise unlike similar K850 shots which are infested with graininess/noise and have a layer of white haze.
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plankgatan
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On 2007-11-12 21:12:05, chombos1 wrote:
@mib1800
do you own a K850?
you havnt answer his question yet !!!!!
if you NOT own (or at least have been using) a k850, how in hell can you compare with all this ?????
(or are you just searching on internet to find crappy pictures !!! i realy hope it isnt like that !!!
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chombos1
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@mib1800
what?
you just posted the conclusion of each comparison which is completely personal opinions !!!
and the reason that quite a large number of members here like the k850 quality is because they HAVE THE DEVICE IN THEIR HANDS for a month now (rather than 4 or 5 days). and this is their presonal opinion
i said that the pictures by gsmarena and M-R and (PHONEDAILY as you mentioned) showing far better quality from K850
as i said in my last post!!!
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see!! i just said better (compared with what you posted)
an example from phonedaily:
k850:
http://img.eprice.com.tw/img/news/6166/a25_original.jpg
N95:
http://img.eprice.com.tw/img/news/6166/a26_original.jpg
(look at the sharpness of the k850 image... specially the trees)
K850:
http://img.eprice.com.tw/img/news/6166/a27_original.jpg
N95:
http://img.eprice.com.tw/img/news/6166/a28_original.jpg
(look at the trees- the grass - the leaves - the flowers - .... to see what the n95 noise reduction do to the image. and compare it with the... noisy!!... k850 pic)
K850:
http://img.eprice.com.tw/img/news/6166/a31_original.jpg
N95:
http://img.eprice.com.tw/img/news/6166/a32_original.jpg
(look at the pavement to see what i am talking about a bad noise reduction - the people and the blue lights !!)
and some from Mobile-review:
K850:
http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]ic/k850/n95vsk800/DSC00878.JPG
N95:
http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]k850/n95vsk800/08072007074.jpg
(look at the grass and the background of the landscape)
K850:
http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]ic/k850/n95vsk800/DSC00904.JPG
N95:
http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]k850/n95vsk800/17072007100.jpg
(look at the water on the lake and the background trees)
as you can see .. there are a lot of situations that K850 easily wins !! (even this is my personal opinion, others can think different) without taking the xenon flash into account!
i had a N95 and had the K850 for 2 weeks... on the print the K850 eats the N95 as the K850 printouts is more of natural colors than N95... n95 prints have too much color on the paper forcing too reduce the saturation before printing..
and as a final note:
the K850 does have the purple fringing that is a disappointment for such a good cam. i admit that the K850 lens have far less quality than the N95.
wide expose to the outside will attract dust and grease that has a very bad effect on the pics quality (even much of the purple fringing is because of the smudge on the lens)
after all i suggest you test a K850 by yourself... and see the results.
then you will have your personal opinion to share with others |
mib1800
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On 2007-11-13 08:19:55, plankgatan wrote:
On 2007-11-12 21:12:05, chombos1 wrote:
@mib1800
do you own a K850?
you havnt answer his question yet !!!!!
if you NOT own (or at least have been using) a k850, how in hell can you compare with all this ?????
(or are you just searching on internet to find crappy pictures !!! i realy hope it isnt like that !!!
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-13 07:24 ]
Compare with what if I may asked? Your shrunken and specially selected shots which were taken after hours and hours of adjusting the camera settings to give the best outcome. Give me break.
Are you so blind to see if I got my hands on the K850, I would certainly post side-by-side comparable shots of BOTH the phones (unlike some people who just blow the trumpets only with one-sided shrunkened and selected shots of K850 ). And I am not so stupid to go and buy an over-priced K850 which is beaten to dust in functionalities by N95 just to prove the same point (that K850 cam is not better than N95) that these more reliable people have already proven.
http://www.phonearena.com/htm[....]-Review-review-r_1846-p_5.html
We are disappointed by the Sony Ericsson K850 and how it performs as a camera. Really, considering it is the top Cyber-shot branded phone, it should be one of the best on the market, but the comparison with the old N95 and the G600 shows different things.
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_[....]50_vs_nokia_n95-review-162.php
In this heavy-weight championship series the Sony Ericsson K850 managed to collect a total of 31 points, while the Nokia N95 managed to beat it by a slight margin with a total of 34 points. Those numbers are indicative only and you should give more weight to the results of the tests that matter most to you. It was a close call, but this time we prefer the Nokia model.
http://smape.com/en/reviews/n[....]Ericsson_K850ivsNokia_N95.html
Sony Ericsson were able to design a well-balanced 5 Mpix camera phone which isn’t bad at all at taking pictures but it has very few advantages over the N95 while the latter was able to beat its competitor in quite a number of tests.
http://www.phonedaily.com/news/?news_id=6166
translated...N95 relatively stronger/better color and showing more photo details gives N95 a small win (over K850)
http://mobilarena.hu/teszt/no[....]es_csata/na_akkor_a_kepek.html
http://mobil.idnes.cz/sony-er[....]24_212325_mob_sonyericsson_vok
chombos1
You have selected shots which shows K850 have the advantage. Like you, I can also show you shots which N95 have the advantage. But unlike some here I am not so foolish to declare K850 is the winner when there are so many adverse review conclusions about the K850.
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chombos1
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@mib1800
read my last post!!
and you forgot to list the MR conclusion !!!
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mib1800
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see my edited post
chombos1 ..and you forgot to list the MR conclusion !!!
I did once. If you want you can list it down again then. But I just can't fathom the reviewer of M-R who said all Nokia (incl. n-series) video recording as "mediocre" and those of W810/K750/K800 as "good"
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elementz
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hehe, mib, you have pasted the same thing (those website review links) for the 12th twelve already. 
I got the point.
Anyway, there are times/situations N95 fare better, and situations where k850i fare better. So I can't say for sure which phone is better. Guess it is fair to say that both phones are on par, but definitely not the best in the market. |
Dextrr
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Oh man ... This must be really embarrassing for SE fan boys to have, as mib1800 posted, around half a dozen online website who's livelihood and job(unlike plankgatan) is to review every new handset to trash the K850. Pretty harsh ... lol
But what's is really co0l is that the N95 is 9 months old and is kicking SE's CYBERSHOT latest and greatest ass! CYBERSHOT what? Who? Where?
I don't even want to mention the 'N82' for fear of having an SE and K850 fanboy passout!! 
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mib1800
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On 2007-11-13 09:20:04, elementz wrote:
hehe, mib, you have pasted the same thing (those website review links) for the 12th twelve already.
I got the point.
Anyway, there are times/situations N95 fare better, and situations where k850i fare better. So I can't say for sure which phone is better. Guess it is fair to say that both phones are on par, but definitely not the best in the market.
This is the most rational sentence I have read ( from a se fan?? ) since...hmm...hmmm...blast..I cant remember when.
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Dextrr
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On 2007-11-13 09:20:04, elementz wrote:
hehe, mib, you have pasted the same thing (those website review links) for the 12th twelve already.
And yet you guys are still arguing the K850 is better. mib1800 should post them permanently in his signature, that ought to do it!
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chombos1
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as i said before!
--> i had a N95
and i can say that nothing match it in terms of number of features !
BUT for the camera:
if you show two pics to someone (one from N95 and the other from K850)... in most situations he says that the N95 one is better because it has no noise. then move the pics to an advanced photo editing program and remove the noise manually from the K850 one and then you will see what im talking about !!
i think that having a noisy pic with good detailes is better than a waterpaint like pic with no noise (and that is my personal thinking of course as some of my friends that have N95 say that its better to have a pic that do not need any photoeditor that a raw pic taken with a K850)
but after all you are free to think what you like!!
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Dextrr
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chombos1:
So your saying that you prefer 'noisy' pics, correct? That's co0l!
But why waste $500 on a k850 when a dirt cheap low end 1.3MP without AF can take the same noisy and washed/blurred out pic the K850 takes and you seem to like? |
mib1800
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On 2007-11-13 09:28:46, chombos1 wrote:
as i said before!
--> i had a N95
and i can say that nothing match it in terms of number of features !
BUT for the camera:
if you show two pics to someone (one from N95 and the other from K850)... in most situations he says that the N95 one is better because it has no noise. then move the pics to an advanced photo editing program and remove the noise manually from the K850 one and then you will see what im talking about !!
i think that having a noisy pic with good detailes is better than a waterpaint like pic with no noise
but after all you are free to think what you like!!
for the n-th time, you can adjust the sharpness setting in N95 to reduce the sharpening. Then you can use your "advanced photo editing" to the stuff. But I just dont have the time or energy to do this. I want my photo to be good right from the start (without artifact like purple fringing, unnatural color "pinkish", excessive noise, white haze/over-exposed like those of K850)
btw: since you HAD the N95, you should have some left over shots taken by N95. Why dont take your K850 and make shots of the same scene as those in you N95 shots and post the results here so that we can compare.
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chombos1
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@dextrr
Noise on a pic is a Disadvantage BUT it is inevitable!!! and it is better to remove them with a more advanced PC prog than a fast detail removing postprocess that will run in 4 secs!!!
you think that the nokai pics come from the CMOS as you see it on the screen??
lets do a test to see what i am talking about:
grab a N95 and go taking pictures but when you want to press the shutter... zoom to te maximum extent but do not press the shutter.... there it goes... you see noise!!!
and it is a post processing prog that will make them look less noisy(with removing the detailes)
and lets say that each camera has it's own flaws... K850 is not a super cam-phone...(as some people think it is) but in my case.. i prefer it to N95 (as i have plenty of time to fiddle with my advanced!!!:) editting prog) (if you dont like to spent time on a photo and want it to be acceptable on the start then the N95 is for you)
what i think the K850 could have : a N95 like lens quality and a design so that the lens doesn't get grease on it as in a N95!
see my edited post!
and to your last post:
i will do if i borrow the K850i again!!
[ This Message was edited by: chombos1 on 2007-11-13 08:52 ] |
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