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motvikt
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hmm wonder if there is gonna be a successor to liveview. Hope they haven't canceled it. It was a great idea even tough it requires some sexier hardware and more stable software | |
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mode
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Actually, eventhough quad-core is welcome, dual-core would suffice if SE could offer people something no smartphone has been able to offer. AWESOME battery life. Just concentrate on that, like 3 days in between charging on moderate use, build a brand name on that (provided they keep up on the specs sheet) then they would have something to offer the people again rather than the very flimsy 'lifestyle' phone concept they're attempting to portray.
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admad
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On 2011-09-22 10:49:29, mode wrote:
Actually, eventhough quad-core is welcome, dual-core would suffice if SE could offer people something no smartphone has been able to offer. AWESOME battery life. Just concentrate on that, like 3 days in between charging on moderate use, build a brand name on that (provided they keep up on the specs sheet) then they would have something to offer the people again rather than the very flimsy 'lifestyle' phone concept they're attempting to portray.
True that, the race to the ultimate hardware is pretty much a dead road now, since the bad battery life, and poor camera performance. Xenon flash and bigger battery with dual-core, is all I want now. It don't need to be thin as hell... Also better heat management is also needed. I can't use my phone as GPS navigation on sunny day since it overheats and battery won't charge after hitting 50C. That's pretty lame, my good old P990i didn't have this problem  |
randomuser
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I'm afraid the nozomi is going to turn out to be the same as Arc next year - a quasi flagship that does not measure up to the true Samsung and HTC flagships  |
lewko
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SE has always taken different strategies then its counterparts and most of times they were right.
There is no point for SE to take part in "core" race as there is no software to use those. And there will not be for a long time (at least next half year).
SE has always focused on customer experience and they should keep the Xperia range that way. Until Android ICS is out, no phone can take advantage of the dual core hardware. I would very much like to see the faces of owners of LG Optimus 2x, when the company will say "sorry no ICS for you guys", which i think will happen.
What SE should be focusing more on (and is doing great in their Xperia 2011 range) is to enhance the Android user experience. Focus on camera and video options, run exclusive games for their devices only, enhance Timescape and themes, etc...
This is a way how to stand above the crowd where everyone is using the same HW (Qualcomm, Nvidia, TI OMAP), which is btw. way too powerful for todays software, and also the same base of operating system.
What brings me to that conclusion? I use X10 with now nearly 2 years old Snapdragon, Adreno 200, 384 MB RAM, stock 2.3.3 and I have never experienced any serious lags or downloaded an application that i coudlnt run due to HW constrains! Moreover I play Galaxy on Fire 2 (SE Xperia Play version) on this device seamlessly!!! And that is one of the best looking games around for any platform...  |
randomuser
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It has been explained time and again that it is absolutely necessary to be in the harware race to be successful and profitable in the long run. Why would people buy  dual core when they can get Samsung/HTC/Moto/LG quad core for same price or slightly more ?
Yes we fans will but we don't make even 2% of the total market. The rest 98% will go by specs and there loses out. And software/user experience is not the best either. HTC sense is superior to UI.
Take example of Galaxy S2 and Xperia Arc. GS2 has probably outsold Arc by more than 5 times.!!!!
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nikos_se
Joined: Nov 04, 2007
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Comparing xperia arc and galaxy s2,the only big difference i can find is in the processor(1GHZ/512MB compared to 2x1.2GHZ/1GB),yet the xperia arc can be found for as low as 330EUR,while the lowest price galaxy s2 can be found is 460EUR.Had sony ericsson used the msm8260(2x1.2ghz),arc would have at least double the sales,while now its price wouldn't be lower than 400eur,thus generating more revenue.!!!!
All i hope is that sony ericsson will realise this year mistakes and fix them in next year portfolio. |
lewko
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I dont think people buy SGS II because of "dual core processor".
They buy it because
- "screen has nice colors" - despite the fact that colors are distored and not real
- "it looks like Iphone", but bigger
- "its UI mimics" Iphone", but allows me to insert SD card with music and stuff..
80% of folks have no understanding of technology, they buy, beacuse of "user experience" and "somebody told them"...
That is why Nokia was so succesfull in times of "dumb-phones", they really can be controled and used by "dumbs"...
That is why mainly Apple is successfull in first place. Plus the elegant design.
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randomuser
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On 2011-09-22 14:06:16, lewko wrote:
I dont think people buy SGS II because of "dual core processor".
They buy it because
- "screen has nice colors" - despite the fact that colors are distored and not real
- "it looks like Iphone", but bigger
- "its UI mimics" Iphone", but allows me to insert SD card with music and stuff..
80% of folks have no understanding of technology, they buy, beacuse of "user experience" and "somebody told them"...
That is why Nokia was so succesfull in times of "dumb-phones", they really can be controled and used by "dumbs"...
That is why mainly Apple is successfull in first place. Plus the elegant design.
I don't agree with the statements you have made. People buy GS2 because its the best, the fastest and the most powerful Android phone there is. There is no phone that offers a faster, smoother web browsing and multimedia experience than the GS2. And all that is due to the good dual core CPU and 1GB RAM.
As nikos wrote, had the Arc been dual core it would have probably sold at least as much as the GS2 if not more. |
adsada
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Not really much point in arguing in market trends, because no one really knows why each consumer bought the SG2 we can only speculate. But their advertising campaign was really clever, and got straight to the point. the main poster showed 3 sections, slimmer faster brighter. Simple, yet gets to the point about why its such a good phone. Also the fact its the 2nd generation of the original SG, means improvements have been made so its likely to be better. Compare that with the arc's "visually brilliant android smartphone" that's great, but it's not gonna make you go out and buy one.
Of course I went for the arc, because imo I felt it was the better phone for me and I like SE  .
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Ricky D
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I thought it was quite obvious that Apple are so successful due to their meticulous marketing and brand image that has been formed over the last decade or so. Their brand image transcends all other manufacturer's because they reach into so many other fields and show quality in their products in those fields.
Take for example the MacBook Air and compare it to a Vaio or a Samsung laptop 3 years ago (when the MBA was released), take the iPod and and compare it to a Walkman of 2001. The point is that iPhones sell well because they've always shown quality and consistency in their products. Samsung (mobile division) are currently piggy backing on iPhone's design success and Google's android success, they've not got the brand perception but they are better at copying than other brands so they are selling better than others (in the mobile market).
HTC on the other hand are more innovative in design (although I think they require an acquired taste), their sense UI is original and that's why they're selling well. They are creating a strong brand image by keeping consistency in their design, naming structure and quality. People know what they'e getting when they buy an HTC.
SE have have changed their CEO every year that I remember, they've lacked consistency producing some star handsets and some real stinkers, their design theme changes every year. This is why they are failing. People are scared to buy an SE (even if the fear is subconscious) because they don't know if it'll be a good one or a bad one.
Admittedly the last two years of the X10, minis, Arc and to a lesser extent Play. Have been consistent in design theme and reasonable (not the best, but only needs to be close) hardware, but it will take 3-4 years of this sort of consistency to build the brand back to former glories. Not because that's the time to 'catch-up' but that's the time it takes to build a brand image and convince the public your brand isn't sh.. That's the time it takes for a few people's contract to run out, to get an SE and to show their mates that it's good and they should buy one when their contract runs out. edit:of course these things go on top of things which should be standard like minimum 1.5 years of updates and stable FW
Back on topic. Can anyone who's seen or played with 'the next best thing' from SE say if the current designs are being kept true? I don't mean carbon copies but a similar theme to the X10 and arc.
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sambouka
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king-james
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We waiting for NOZOMI, we all have already the ARC!!! S for Shame! |
Indiandawg
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On 2011-09-22 22:27:23, king-james wrote:
We waiting for NOZOMI, we all have already the ARC!!! S for Shame!
Why do you think that Sony Ericsson makes phones only for you? I've been waiting for Arc S like a month now. I am hating my spare phone which is Blackberry. Its like going back to 90s.
Anyway, so now the wait is almost over. It should release very soon now. I need ANDROID back again!
T200 -> T68i -> T610 -> K700i -> P910i -> W800i -> P990i -> M600i -> P1-> Nokia E71 -> X1i -> X10 -> Arc S -> Sony Z1 -> Sony Z Ultra -> Sony Z3+ -> iPhone 6 -> iPhone 7 Plus -> iPhone X -> iPhone XS Max |
razec
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On 2011-09-22 13:23:54, randomuser wrote:
Yes we fans will but we don't make even 2% of the total market. :es: loses out. And software/user experience is not the best either.
Almost all Xperia 2011 phones are fast, fluid and responsive while looking neat and pretty - that's the way we should describe best user experience.
Take example of Galaxy S2 and Xperia Arc. GS2 has probably outsold Arc by more than 5 times.!!!!
Yes, it's because GS2, no matter how you look at it, still has iPhone-inspired (i make it less harsh) styling in it, and many people think (including me) that iphone is beautiful. you can't find any iPhone inspired styling on Arc. Samsung used to be unique way back 2002-2008 and they've proven that they know how to experiment. but what about now?
The rest 98% will go by specs and there
most iphone users do not know that their phone is single core, and many did not notice any UI speed difference between Galaxy S2 and it, it all boils down to the optimizations and etc etc, as of this moment gingerbread can't use Dual Core, and i kept on saying this to people who seemed to be awestrucked by something they don't clearly understand. if you own a SE Arc and a GS2 try pressing the home button on both and see how come GS2 despite its "Dual Core" can't go back to home screen faster or at least as fast as the Arc.
HTC sense is superior to UI.
SE did have one of the best and most unique UIs with X10 (way better than most of the competition), but it slowed them down so much when updating Android versions. and this is now happening to HTC, LG and Samsung, SE now have the fastest updates of all the manufacturers excluding google, but without making their UI look pale or "copycat" like Samsung or LG. at least HTC is serious in updating the Android versions with their phones.
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