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WhyBe
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On 2008-09-28 11:03:09, erichui wrote:
On 2008-09-28 08:48:03, mode wrote:
I'm hardly nitpicking when other smartphone players in the game have given us the 8gb internal memory option for their best high end devices, let alone a multimedia (among other capabilities X1 boasts of having) smartphone which is not unprecedented for SE (W960 remember?). You can't seriously think I'm nitpicking?
well I just guess there isn't a perfect for everyone. take the HTC touch pro, it doesn't even have the 4gb internal memory like the touch diamond (the touch diamond doesn't have the micro SD slot tho.).
The samsung onmia has huge amounts of internal memory, along with the iphone, but they do not have a qwerty keyboard (and the onmia has a lower resolution screen compared to touch pro and X1)
To add to what Erichui is saying, there appears to be a 32gb limit on external storage anyways. While the Innov8 has 8gb internal storage, you can only add an additional 16GB to it. Whereas X1 has no external storage included but is expandable to 32GB. So, at the end of the day, current technology lets you have no more than 32GB. You are in the same boat either way.
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X1 is one of the best high end compromises Ive ever seen! Period. Any device is a compromise of many many factors. Just think:
There is the way the R&D labs want it to be: spec'ced to the sky
There is the way finance dept want it to be: as cheap as possible
There is the way the designers want it to be- aesthetically beautiful
There is the way the manufacturer wants it to be- as simple as possible
There is the way the safety dept wants it to be- no complaints from users
Worst of all, there is the way the consumer wants it to be- cheap but unlimited. Taking all this into account is difficult. Still through this X1 has raised the bar for WM in many ways (e.g. RAM, Screen resolution- best for PPI, one of the first with WVGA screen, small size for its power, one of the first with an arc sliding keyboard, one of the first with an optical joystick, AND a D-pad), so what's not to like? Theres no way to get better at the moment. But yes, in the future we will have to expect a Samsung INNOV8 camera spec added to that.
I agree %100. You simply cannot have a device with the best of everything currently available, while trying to achieve a small form factor AND reasonable price point. Sacrifices have to be made.
@d-southwest, Isn't that an old pic? I thought the orientation button had been removed. |
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Caspa
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Thats a proto though...
This one the buttons gone...
http://www.sonyericsson.com/c[....]nes/seethephone/x1?cc=gb&lc=en
and this one its there, but no longer marked...
http://img.eprice.com.tw/img/prod/2985/06.jpg
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On 2008-09-28 13:23:46, max_wedge wrote:
Yeah well I make a point of taking marketing spiel with a grain (make that a truckload) of salt.
As useful as the panels may turn out to be, the real customisability of the X1 comes from it being a WM device.
Marketing spiel aside, being WM doesn't make the X1 a "business phone" this device is far more of a general PDA with rich media capability's aimed squarely at the Iphone arena and that is no business phone! but only IHMO of course 
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It's WM, it can be what you want it to be 
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d-southwest
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Ma bad :S
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corentin
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Will the X1 be compatible with all the functions of SE's watches range?(namely, the MBW150)
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On 2008-09-28 17:31:03, corentin wrote:
Will the X1 be compatible with all the functions of SE's watches range?(namely, the MBW150)
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Should be.
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@Whybe
Why do you say you can only add 16GB to the INNOV8 as really any SDHC able device is able to support cards all the way up to 32GB. Which would give the INNVO8 a potential total of 40GB storage, so whilst most SDHC devices will have a maximum of 32GB of storage obviously those that have a large internal storage will exceed this by either another 8GB or 16GB depending on what they are fitted with. Where have you got tis idea that a device can't have more than a max of 32GB of storage from especially as currently there aren't even 32 GB cards available as the 16GB cards have only just been released. But lets be serious for now i really don't think any one can consider 16-32GB of storage via one or two memory cards to be a problem for all but the most demanding of users.
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I seen this phone advertised on a billboard today. |
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On 2008-09-28 19:13:08, Dogmann wrote:
@Whybe
Why do you say you can only add 16GB to the INNOV8 as really any SDHC able device is able to support cards all the way up to 32GB. Which would give the INNVO8 a potential total of 40GB storage, so whilst most SDHC devices will have a maximum of 32GB of storage obviously those that have a large internal storage will exceed this by either another 8GB or 16GB depending on what they are fitted with. Where have you got tis idea that a device can't have more than a max of 32GB of storage from especially as currently there aren't even 32 GB cards available as the 16GB cards have only just been released.
The SDHC standard is currently limited to 32GB. Of course the real limit to the capacity of any device is limited by it's addressing.
For example, it states in the Samsung Innov8 specs that it will only accept a maximum additional 16GB SDHC. Do you have any examples of a smartphone that will demonstrably allow you to exceed 32GB external storage (I will stand corrected)?
But lets be serious for now i really don't think any one can consider 16-32GB of storage via one or two memory cards to be a problem for all but the most demanding of users.
Yes you are right. 16-32GB is plenty of storage...for now. But as we demand higher bitrate MP3's, higher megapixel pictures, higher bitrate movies for high-res screens, and bigger more complex OS'es, we are going to, sooner or later, be considering 32GB to be paltry. |
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On 2008-09-28 22:14:51, WhyBe wrote:
The SDHC standard is currently limited to 32GB. Of course the real limit to the capacity of any device is limited by it's addressing.
For example, it states in the Samsung Innov8 specs that it will only accept a maximum additional 16GB SDHC. Do you have any examples of a smartphone that will demonstrably allow you to exceed 32GB external storage (I will stand corrected)?
I think they have stated that because only 16GB is currently available (much like SE whitepaper said K750 would support max 1GB, yet in practice it could support much larger). Does it actually say anywhere that the device can't address more than 16GB? Would seem unlikely to me since to comply with the SD standard it would need to be able to address up to 32GB.
Yes you are right. 16-32GB is plenty of storage...for now. But as we demand higher bitrate MP3's, higher megapixel pictures, higher bitrate movies for high-res screens, and bigger more complex OS'es, we are going to, sooner or later, be considering 32GB to be paltry.
I agree, but for the next year maybe two, 32GB will be the max that's available (for any one memory card). After that we may even lose backwards compatibility as the standard is changed.
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@WhyBe
The point is if a device is able to use cards that conform to the SDHC standard there is no reason why it won't use the largest cards that are available that conform to that standard. Many devices that were launched or announced before the larger cards were made available state much smaller maximum capacities yet most if not all have had no problems in working with later released much higher capacity cards.
Also if the device has a built in large amount of storage that doesn't affect it's ability to work with a larger card. So whilst 32GB may be the largest amount of storage supported by the SDHC standard if a device such as Nokia N96 with 16GB of built in storage is not limited to a total of 32GB with only another 16GB card but will be 48GB with the addition of a 32GB card, which IMO is a truly stunning amount of storage for a smart phone. Especially when you consider just how small Micro SDHC cards are and how easy they are to swap with just two cards you are looking at up to 64GB of storage enough for most people to carry a vast selection of Music and Films or what ever else they wish to have with them. Who knows what the next generation of storage cards will offer but it should be truly mind blowing.
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This phone has just been shown on BBC Click technology programme. Looks well sexy. Go to BBC iplayer. |
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@Dogmann & max_wedge
The question is, what mechanisms are available in the OS to allow addressing of external storage > 32GB ? Just because you can physically cram >32GB into a SDHC-supporting device doesn't mean the OS or apps "know" how to address that which exceeds 32GB. What I'm saying is, it is unlikely you can separate the "internal" 16GB of media storage from what is added by way of the SDHC slot. IOW, the two added together can't total more than 32GB. I could be wrong, but there's no evidence pointing otherwise.
Samsung innov8‘s crystal clear 2.8” 16M color LCD is perfectly designed to provide users with the best possible photography, video and gaming experience on-the-go. The 8G or 16GB Flash memory and external memory slot up to additional 16G provides sufficient contents storage....
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On 2008-09-29 01:30:40, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
The point is if a device is able to use cards that conform to the SDHC standard there is no reason why it won't use the largest cards that are available that conform to that standard. Many devices that were launched or announced before the larger cards were made available state much smaller maximum capacities yet most if not all have had no problems in working with later released much higher capacity cards.
Also if the device has a built in large amount of storage that doesn't affect it's ability to work with a larger card. So whilst 32GB may be the largest amount of storage supported by the SDHC standard if a device such as Nokia N96 with 16GB of built in storage is not limited to a total of 32GB with only another 16GB card but will be 48GB with the addition of a 32GB card, which IMO is a truly stunning amount of storage for a smart phone. Especially when you consider just how small Micro SDHC cards are and how easy they are to swap with just two cards you are looking at up to 64GB of storage enough for most people to carry a vast selection of Music and Films or what ever else they wish to have with them. Who knows what the next generation of storage cards will offer but it should be truly mind blowing.
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wow than how fast the n96 will be with 48GB ?
i'm pretty much sure that it'll be very slow if both memories became full |
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