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Dups!
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Would be very nice and good for them if SE announce Nozomi (arc 2) in January for March release as it is expected or rumoured and then announce a 16mp flagship running on these quad-core processors at MWC for release, say, in June.
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admad
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Well quad cores are really not necessery. Really who will need that? I got on my PC quad-core CPU, which are used fully only in really demanding games, and to make advanced calculations. I won't do neither of that on a phone. Just give me dual-core phone with good quality camera(1080p video), and xenon flash. Perfect phone.
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Dups!
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On 2011-09-16 12:18:07, admad wrote:
Well quad cores are really not necessery. Really who will need that? I got on my PC quad-core CPU, which are used fully only in really demanding games, and to make advanced calculations. I won't do neither of that on a phone. Just give me dual-core phone with good quality camera(1080p video), and xenon flash. Perfect phone.
[ This Message was edited by: admad on 2011-09-16 11:20 ]
They need to be seen to be at the top end of competition. This will garner them sales as well. We've been through this before, the better specced Samsungs and HTCs are outselling the SEs. Before someone mentions Motorola and LG, let me point out that Moto have no supply and LG have fallen in the trap of ignoring the smartphone market for too long and are paying for it. They (LG) are also rubbish!
Stop saying phones don't need quad-core phones because when other manufacturers use them and SE don't it will hurt them in sales.
SE are currently not fully competing in hardware and we all can see the results. I've said it time and again that consumers will tend to buy the better specced phone on the sales people's advice.
SE are not Apple with a strong fanatic following, they once had it, that they can always get away with an ordinary phone. They need to assert themselves from here on.
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Indiandawg
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On 2011-09-16 12:35:36, Dups! wrote:
On 2011-09-16 12:18:07, admad wrote:
Well quad cores are really not necessery. Really who will need that? I got on my PC quad-core CPU, which are used fully only in really demanding games, and to make advanced calculations. I won't do neither of that on a phone. Just give me dual-core phone with good quality camera(1080p video), and xenon flash. Perfect phone.
[ This Message was edited by: admad on 2011-09-16 11:20 ]
They need to be seen to be at the top end of competition. This will garner them sales as well. We've been through this before, the better specced Samsungs and HTCs are outselling the SEs. Before someone mentions Motorola and LG, let me point out that Moto have no supply and LG have fallen in the trap of ignoring the smartphone market for too long and are paying for it. They (LG) are also rubbish!
Stop saying phones don't need quad-core phones because when other manufacturers use them and SE don't it will hurt them in sales.
SE are currently not fully competing in hardware and we all can see the results. I've said it time and again that consumers will tend to buy the better specced phone on the sales people's advice.
SE are not Apple with a strong fanatic following, they once had it, that they can always get away with an ordinary phone. They need to assert themselves from here on.
That's exactly what I had said long time. SE needs a high end phone even if does not fit in consumers need. The biggest reason HTC and Samsung are selling is because of their hardware. They have shitty UI in front of SE. We understand that we really don't need dual core or quad core but there are millions of other consumers who do not understand and wish to have the best of what they are paying. When you get dual core at the same price of single core, it's but obvious people will buy dual core phones. That's where the sales hurt.
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Indiandawg
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Millions of Sony Ericsson fans should buy this company and apple will become history 
It's true, but it's not possible!
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semo
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I think that SE sales suffer MAINLY due to the bad reputation earned during previous years and LESS due to the hardware of the current line.
The majority of the people bying smartphones don't even know about cores and what they are good for.
Usualy they just want an Android phone from a reliable producer.
And they've heard that SE's android is not a good choice (thanks to the slow upgrades of the 2010 line), while both HTC and Samsung have a good reputation atm which is enough for many people to buy their phones.
In my opinion the current line of SE products is very well balanced (features/price) and not the big problem for them.
If they keep on bringing balanced products without major flaws they will be back at the top in a year or two.
Of course they should not lag in hardware, but being ahead is not the most critical for their sales.
IMO the only direction they should improve is in the build quality and choice of materials which should match their outstanding designs. This will make owners happy with their phones and the word will be spread.
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Dups!
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Absolutely Indiandawg!
After buying it make me the CEO and I'll kick every manufacturer's butt 
Just one high-end phone is all they need, the rest can be mid to slightly high-end. A quad-core phone for next year and a lot of dual-core phones will be a decent portfolio. While at that, add a slightly high-end walkman with Sony audio hardware in there. Then in Q4 they just refresh the quad-core phone like they did with the arc by introducing the arc S.
This reminds me of those days when people in here said they didn't need a slow smartphone but were happy with SE's feature phone os. Well, we all know how SE fared back then, don't we? This in a way is similar, SE should be in the thick of things and not playing catch up or they'll risk being in the same position as back in 2006.
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Dups!
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On 2011-09-16 18:01:35, semo wrote:
I think that SE sales suffer MAINLY due to the bad reputation earned during previous years and LESS due to the hardware of the current line.
The majority of the people bying smartphones don't even know about cores and what they are good for.
Usualy they just want an Android phone from a reliable producer.
And they've heard that SE's android is not a good choice (thanks to the slow upgrades of the 2010 line), while both HTC and Samsung have a good reputation atm which is enough for many people to buy their phones.
In my opinion the current line of SE products is very well balanced (features/price) and not the big problem for them.
If they keep on bringing balanced products without major flaws they will be back at the top in a year or two.
Of course they should not lag in hardware, but being ahead is not the most critical for their sales.
IMO the only direction they should improve is in the build quality and choice of materials which should match their outstanding designs. This will make owners happy with their phones and the word will be spread.
The bad rep they got since 2006 did cause serious damage but I believe now in 2011 they have turned it around 80 percent. In fact, I think they did well with an X10 that was outdated in software, that phone was the first Xperia phone to really sell which suggested that they can sell well with a high-end device. The X10 was at the top of the pile in terms of high-ends so you can't say a high-end phone can't sell.
Yes, ordinary people don't know about processors but when they enter a shop they ask which is the better phone and the sales person (with his limited knowledge or one gained from the internet) will invariably tell the customer that the best specced phone is the best, the customer then will buy that.
SE needs that one phone that makes a statement. Remember people usually upgrade to the next best phone of the company, so, if the Xperia mini has been a solid entrance phone for a new SE customer he/she will likely move on to the next higher level and more than likely end up with the flagship.
It would not be in SE's interest to have new customers who love the mini and decide they want a high-end Xperia phone only to find that Samsung or HTC have better high-ends.
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Indiandawg
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Honestly I think SE does realize this. It's just their strategy is different after the loss they have faced. Or may be something else. How can a company not understand a high end smartphone who brought first smartphone in the world? It was P series and then Nokia joined with communicator. I really don't get it, why SE is going slow.
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smclion102
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On 2011-09-16 16:16:57, Indiandawg wrote:
Millions of Sony Ericsson fans should buy this company and apple will become history
It's true, but it's not possible!
+ Million For that 
SOON we should start Bidding 
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smclion102
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On 2011-09-16 08:11:27, Dups! wrote:
Would be very nice and good for them if SE announce Nozomi (arc 2) in January for March release as it is expected or rumoured and then announce a 16mp flagship running on these quad-core processors at MWC for release, say, in June.
But dont you think People would Skip buyin Dual core and wait until 16mp+Quad when it is out and buy that?? |
smclion102
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On 2011-09-16 18:06:40, Dups! wrote:
Absolutely Indiandawg!
After buying it make me the CEO and I'll kick every manufacturer's butt
+1 Dups as CEO of   |
Dups!
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On 2011-09-17 10:04:35, smclion102 wrote:
On 2011-09-16 18:06:40, Dups! wrote:
Absolutely Indiandawg!
After buying it make me the CEO and I'll kick every manufacturer's butt
+1 Dups as CEO of
Well, thank you very much for the vote of confidence, smclion102! Takes a bow.
As for people skipping the Nozomi for the 16mp, quad-core phone, I don't see it happening since the price difference will play a role. If the rumour that the Nozomi will be cheap then it will be pretty affordable, I also understand why it will be cheaper than the competition, dual-core phones are now plenty and SE is coming to the game rather late. Chances are also high that Samsung and HTC will be on different processors when the Nozomi is announced so that also puts pressure on the Nozomi's price. I also think that from March to June is a pretty decent time for the Nozomi to make some money.
The June release will obviously be in the last week of that month.
Think of this as being the same situation as the Satio and Vivaz.
Then in November SE releases a refreshed version of the quad-core phone with a slightly overclocked processor and little tweaks here and there to take advantage of the holiday season.
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HxH
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Quad won't ready for mobile until late of 2012 as far as power consumption in mention
Dual core second gen @28nm will take a center stage for mobile and Quad probably go for tablet.
Why I have wasted my time reading about all daydream in rumour thread 
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randomuser
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On 2011-09-17 11:49:38, HxH wrote:
Quad won't ready for mobile until late of 2012 as far as power consumption in mention
Dual core second gen @28nm will take a center stage for mobile and Quad probably go for tablet.
Why I have wasted my time reading about all daydream in rumour thread
Not really. There is at least 1 Quad Core Nvidia CPU equipped smartphone slated for launch Q4 this year. I think its a Chinese manufacturer don't really remember the name. HTC most probably will not but its highly likely Samsung and LG may also launch quad core smartphones by Q4 or maybe Q1 2012. |
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