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max_wedge
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On 2007-06-05 20:06:47, Dogmann wrote:
How come Motorola who came to the UIQ3 platform after SE had realeased their first extremely troubled devices is now about to launch their first UIQ3 device that has everything bar the 3.2 mega pixel camera and has all the tech you could need
Well I "need" the best camera I can get on a phone, so please don't overlook other people's requirements just because they are unimportant to you. 
And did it ever occur to you that Motorola have benefited from SE's experience with UIQ3? Motorola didn't release the first UIQ3 device otherwise I would accept your point. The fact is they have riden SE's coat tails. So it's absolutely wrong in my book to claim that Motorola somehow got UIQ3 "right" when SE couldn't. SE have UIQ3 "right" now, and because of that Motorola have been able to bring out a first time lucky UIQ3 device (preumably it will be reletively bug free - but we don't know that yet)
Motorola have benefited from not having to develop the UIQ3 platform themselves, so they have been able to concentrate on the hardware. SE are making money off each Motorola UIQ3 sold, meaning they will have more development funds to improve their own hardware, especially now that UIQ3 development is complete 
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mib1800
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Not sure why some of you say the N70 is not stable. My N70 with the first firmware is very stable. That is why I never found the need to upgrade the firmware at all.
Other than hardware capability (like cam, gps, video rec), at this moment my N70 still have more 3rd party software functionalities than my new N95 since many nice apps havent made their way to s60v3 yet.
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max_wedge
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Put it this way mib, if I can choose from apps that have the same kinds of features as symbian apps, and I can multi-task between them, then I have utility that is starting to approach a smartphone.
Have you even investigated what is available in java apps? Do you even know what's possible with the java platform and the degree of hardware access now possible with JAVA? Or are you operating under the underlying assumptions you formed 2-3 years ago when JAVA was still not much more than a simple game platform?
A smartphone is only as flexible as the availability of applications, and the JAVA platform has exploded with all sorts of applications. For example, using JAVA on my K750 I can browse google maps, view word, excel and pdf docs via the gmail java app, do file management with a range of file managers better than the inbuilt file manager, encrypt files, browse true html websites, manage compressed archives (zip and rar), upload files to ftp servers, edit html documents just to name a few things.
Basically the JAVA platform is now limited by available applications only, of which more and more are becoming available everyday. Even third party media players are starting to come out, though K750 is too slow to utilise them - K800 different story though.
Most thing I use the N70 for I can now do on my K750 (and when I get the K800 I'll be able to do it at qvga screen resolution).
While exlusive smartphone users such as yourself have been looking down your noses at non-smartphone users, believing only a smartphone is suitable for a "power user", you have missed completely the revolution in JAVA. Meanwhile, I stuck with K750 because it had the best camera available for a good 2 years, but instead of crying into my milk about the lack of smartphone os in SE hardscreens, I simply had a look at what's out there and discovered JAVA is not what it used to be.
I tried the N70, and even without it's crashes I still prefer the K750, and given that I can seem to find more useful applications on the java platform, have felt let down by the N70 as an application platform. The multi-tasking is useful, but not as useful as actually being able to do the things I want to do. The only smartphone with better application support than JAVA is PocketPC, which leaves s60 (and UIQ3 for that matter) completely for dead.
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i agree. k750i is a very very good phone. takes awesome pics (for be a 2-mPixel), has also very good sound (only k-model with mega bass available), i was very pleased when i had mine.
its also common fact that Nokia have really unstable softwares in many of theirs models. (to say something else would be false, just read the reviews).
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Dogmann
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@Max
You now what Max SE are the best most innovative company in the known world they are class leading in everything they do and they always do right by their customers. Oh yes and black is white as I'm afraid logic and reason seem to of completely escaped you now as i said i will not bother repeating myself again and again and your rebuttals are just pointless you believe what ever you want and I'll do like wise.
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On 2007-06-06 10:12:38, plankgatan wrote:
i agree. k750i is a very very good phone. takes awesome pics (for be a 2-mPixel), has also very good sound (only k-model with mega bass available), i was very pleased when i had mine.
its also common fact that Nokia have really unstable softwares in many of theirs models. (to say something else would be false, just read the reviews).
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-06-06 09:14 ]
...hey ho, plankman,
I almost entirely agree - just change "review" to "preview" - as nokia are faster in improving on buggy software than SEome other makers 
but yeah - agree
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On 2007-06-06 10:12:38, plankgatan wrote:
i agree. k750i is a very very good phone. takes awesome pics (for be a 2-mPixel), has also very good sound (only k-model with mega bass available), i was very pleased when i had mine.
its also common fact that Nokia have really unstable softwares in many of theirs models. (to say something else would be false, just read the reviews).
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-06-06 09:14 ]
i looked looked and looked but couldnt find any review that says Symbian 3rd edition is unstable. Please help me find it, in the mean time, refrain from writing stuff you cant back up, like the fact that optical zoom improves still/video quality. |
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On 2007-06-06 10:49:23, QVGA wrote:
On 2007-06-06 10:12:38, plankgatan wrote:
i agree. k750i is a very very good phone. takes awesome pics (for be a 2-mPixel), has also very good sound (only k-model with mega bass available), i was very pleased when i had mine.
its also common fact that Nokia have really unstable softwares in many of theirs models. (to say something else would be false, just read the reviews).
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-06-06 09:14 ]
i looked looked and looked but couldnt find any review that says Symbian 3rd edition is unstable. Please help me find it, in the mean time, refrain from writing stuff you cant back up, like the fact that optical zoom improves still/video quality.
He can't help it and he knows he can't. Funny how he doesn't mention that UIQ is still unstable, SE still hasn't fixed it, and Symbian 4 will be out before SE gets the point that they are losing customers because of crappy, non-fixed software.
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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plankgatan
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qvga.
listen here.
if a "camera""(phone)" have "real" optical lenses like N93 or some other video camera. you of course get better quality of the video recording, (zoom or not).
the lenses dosent just improve the zooming for god sake, they also improve the quality of the whole video recording. how hard can it be.
edit.. did i wrote that ALL Nokia phones have unstable software ! (no i didnt)...
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sapporobaby
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On 2007-06-06 11:17:35, plankgatan wrote:
qvga.
listen here.
if a "camera(phone)" have "real" optical lenses like N93 or some other video camera. you of course get better quality of the video recording, (zoom or not).
the lenses dosent just improve the zooming for god sake, they also improve the quality of the whole thing. how hard can it be.
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-06-06 10:18 ]
So by your logic, then Nokia makes better phones because they have zoom lenses?
You still did not talk about the totally crappy software on the P-series and M-series phones. I guess they don't count right?
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@max
Great post matey!
Java is under-valued however it is superb that it is being further supported by SE with the JP8 platform - a device can be almost as good as a smartphone but with a big cost saving.
Brilliant! I never looked at it like that.
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plankgatan
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he he he. ok ok......
so you guys cant admit that example many N95 and N73 have problems with theirs software. (in sweden we have a BIG cell-phone-website(forum), there is a lot of people who have problems with the software on N95 and N73)....or do you think i lie.
sapporobaby, i didnt write that Nokia phones is better just because they have optical lenses, i said that if you have optical lenses, you get better video recording quality. comprende !
goldenface, Touche !
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sapporobaby
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On 2007-06-06 11:31:26, plankgatan wrote:
he he he. ok ok......
so you guys cant admit that example many N95 and N73 have problems with theirs software. (in sweden we have a BIG cell-phone-website(forum), there is a lot of people who have problems with the software on N95 and N73)....or do you think i lie.
sapporobaby, i didnt write that Nokia phones is better just because they have optical lenses, i said that if you have optical lenses, you get better video recording quality. comprende !
goldenface, Touche !
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-06-06 10:46 ]
The only thing I know is that in this thread you show your consistent ignorance. Post after post, after post. No one here has said the N95 does not have problems with the software. Do you now have a reading problem as well? What we have said, is that Nokia is much better and faster at fixing their software than SE is. The k800 still, a year later, has software issues. Don't believe me, go look at the thread in this forum. Second, to date the only thing you have to say is: Nokia sucks. Great argument from such an intellect. Please stay in Sweden.
The only thing I know about Sweden is what my friends here in Finland tell me. They say when a Swede introduces his brother, they say: "here is my brother Swen and my sister Hans". Outside of that, if you are the best and brightest that Sweden has to offer, SE is doomed.
@Max,
The JP8 is nothing more than the JP7 + 1. SE innovation at its best once again. It allows the use of standby midlets for wallpaper/screensavers. Hardly earth shaking or ground breaking. It will complement S60 V3 ------> nicely. At the end of the day, Dogmann said it quite well. You have your opinions about SE and we (former SE users have ours). The key word there being former. You should look at that and take notice. Dogmann nor myself aren't the only two to ditch SE and go for something a bit more robust and more technologically advanced.
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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decim8thor
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YES SE DOES MAKE KIND OF POOR QUALITY PHONES.... not hardware or features but software. And yes many of the software bugs are on nokia but the SE bugs are fewer but bigger i managed to crash (white screen of death) many SE phones including W800i V630i=K618i W900i K750i
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sapporobaby
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On 2007-06-06 12:15:09, decim8thor wrote:
YES SE DOES MAKE KIND OF POOR QUALITY PHONES
ON this I disagree. Their quality is not much better or much worse than Nokia. Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other. However, SE has fallen behind Nokia, in my opinion Max, when it comes to innovation and forward thinking. Nokia took a gamble with the N95 and it paid off. People are buying them up and will continue to do so. SE on the other hand has just repacked, recycled products and push them out as new. Hence, the churn from SE to Nokia, Motorola, Samsung, etc.....
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