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amnesia
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they use words like behead and annihale because the Arabic language for example is direct and passionate.
For example, we dont have the word "Like", we only have 'Love', and dont forget, English is not the first language. So the words they use are what is closest to what they feel they mean.
When my Japanese girlfriend says "It is 'the' delicious" (of course I correct her) but she doesn't even mean it's delicious, she just means it tastes nice not that it's extremely delicious.
@goldenface, there ARE internal conflicts. You just dont know about them. READ the news.
To everyone. I've seen quite a few posts saying "Why don't Muslims stand up?" "Why don't we see good news" and stuff like that.
It's simple, you DON'T watch Arabic, Turkish, any Islamic nation's news.
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joebmc
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Oh so there are mass protests by muslims against extremists then? Why dont there every demostright in public like there extremists?
(taking about within the uk)
"Violent, extremist Islamists invoke on their own head the true jihad. Challenging all the peoples of the Earth, and first of all traditional Islam, professed by the overwhelming majority of the Islamic world, these forces put themselves in opposition to Islam. And reacting against them is a religious, moral, social and political duty of each Muslim."
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amnesia
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joe, for once in this thread, stop thinking like a person who's against Islam and like someone who's not against it. (note: I didn't say with it)
I'll explain it as if you were my baby sister.
There are 10 people. They are in a shopping mall. 3 are saying "I'm going to kill you". A bystander films this and shows this to the police.
The police think "These 10 are bad", when the the other 7 didn't do such a thing.
The police says, Why were you with them then. They say "we all wanted to go to the same place". (A group Muslims all wanted to protest the cartoon, some were exteremly angry, some were extremists themselves and some were simply marching.)
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SCORPIONKING1982
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Amnesia, if you were one of those 7 people would you try and stop the other 3 or would you stand by and watch, doing nothing?
Also care to explain why this has not recieved mass coverage and the blatant hypocrisy it presents.
http://english.aljazeera.net/[....]CAB-40AF-88F9-55A086FEE1E8.htm
Two Thai rap CDs featuring a song containing verses from Islam's holy book have been recalled from stores after local Muslims complained that the track insulted their faith, distributor Sony BMG said.
An article on the Thai-language Muslim website, www.muslimthai.com, said the song "clearly insults the Quran ... the Quran strictly forbids the use of its verses in songs".
Nithi Hasan, president of the Council of Muslim Organisations of Thailand said it agreed with complaints received in recent days, saying in a telephone interview: "We don't think it was appropriate -we don't agree with this. He shouldn't do this."
He said it was good that Joey Boy apologised and the matter would probably be closed.
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joebmc
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Well the other 7 should of said to the other three "stop, what are doing, your bringing us a bad name"
Hope you can understand this as it mite be a little childish for you.
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leeboy13
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@joebmc, i agree mate.... the other 7 should stand up and take control of those bringing a very bad name to islam..... |
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Should I have stopped Tony Blair from being complicit in the murder of 100,000 Iraqis?
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stopping him would be rather difficult mate but if you disagreed with him then you should do your best to make your feelings known and heard.
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joebmc
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joe, for once in this thread, stop thinking like a person who's against Islam and like someone who's not against it. (note: I didn't say with it)
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Im not against islam, no more than i am any religion.
Could you stop thinking like a person who's not a muslim?
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but does the muslim world want from denmark etc? the pp l go on the streets, shout around, shoot with mashineguns the danish flag and the pic of the premier ( thought i drop out the tv through the closed window when i saw that ) what do they want? isnt an apologise enough? should they became suicide or what?
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solidsingh
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thats a good point about how the other 7 should stop the bad 3 , but from what i see its the other way round , 7 are bad and 3 are good. i think maybe the good muslims should protest against all the bad things that the extremists are doing maybe?
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amnesia
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you see in this case, take those three and multiply them, you can't stop an angry group of people.
When there are riots in the street would you go to someone and say stop?
and its funny how people thing a group of Muslims represent the whole 1.6 Billion out there.
People say "the good ones should stop the bad from giving a bad rep" Guys, the good don't need to prove anything except to God. We've got good 'ole USA to help show us who's good or bad.
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On 2006-02-09 16:50:20, amnesia wrote:
they use words like behead and annihale because the Arabic language for example is direct and passionate. For example, we dont have the word "Like", we only have 'Love', and dont forget, English is not the first language. So the words they use are what is closest to what they feel they mean. |
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The placards I saw the protestors use in London were written in English. Even where that has not been the case I think the argument you give is at best weak. One may have to substitute a word when translating, however, I would doubt whether one has to use a word like 'behead' or 'slay' if one is merely meaning that someone should be punished.
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When my Japanese girlfriend says "It is 'the' delicious" (of course I correct her) but she doesn't even mean it's delicious, she just means it tastes nice not that it's extremely delicious.
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That is within the context of saying that something tastes nice, delicious being a word that has that meaning. Saying someone should be punished for something is not the same thing as calling for people to be killed.
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To everyone. I've seen quite a few posts saying "Why don't Muslims stand up?" "Why don't we see good news" and stuff like that.
It's simple, you DON'T watch Arabic, Turkish, any Islamic nation's news.
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Can you please point out the mass demonstrations that have been held and documented by such media sources that have been against Islamic extremist violence then?
Interestingly enough, some Islamic leaders who have been commenting upon extremist violence seem to be able to find a rather delicate balance of language to use in contradiction to your above point concerning the use of language.
If we omit possible protests in Islamic countries that we might not have heard of, where have the protests been from Muslims in the West that we would certainly have heard of? When Ken Bigley was murdered in Iraq I didn't see Islamic groups marching through London like we have seen over these cartoons. Admittedly we didn't see any major protests over Mr Bigley's killing, however, it is still pertinent to the discussion of Muslims opposing Islamic extremists.
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leeboy13
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7 regular people / the prime minister...... not really the same is it?
The prime minister (youd hope) should have the nations interest at heart....
The 7 regular people are people like our selves with no real power.... the only power we have is power in numbers (majority)... but what im saying is that when you have 3 (as you put it) who are killing etc.... it kind of makes a mockery of the other severn who are protesting in peace.....
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amnesia
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@scots, you seem to totally be misunderstanding what I'm saying.
And I'm feeling to sick to argue right now.
I explained the facts as they are, if you dont agree with me, I honestly don't care.
You KNOW I don't have anything against you, but you pick at people's comments as if your opinion is absolute.
I'm sorry to say this but it seems that you really take your opinion as fact. If you want to question my logic, feel free, but make it clear in your posts that you are trying to understand, not that I'm wrong, when it's just your opinion.
Finally, You've just asked me to point out mass demonstrations.
Why do I have to? (I will search now, despite having the biggest migrane on earth)
Asking me to prove myself is saying that I'm a liar until I prove that I'm saying the truth.
God says "Trust until they give you a reason to lose that trust".
And again regarding language. Scots, you of all people, if a leader knows the english language properly, does it mean that ALL Muslim's need to know it. You've just proven the point that people associate one person with the whole group. If one speaks well, the others do too, if one makes a threat, the others do too, if one is an extremist, they all are too.
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