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WhyBe
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On 2008-09-23 01:39:00, freeoscar84 wrote:
does anybody know when is xperia coming to PERU? or does anybody actually suggest me to preorder one by expansys.com - is it safe?
Yeah, you'll have to stand in the looong line at Expansys. Or you could get the Touch Pro or Omnia, they're really short lines  |
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WhyBe
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On 2008-09-22 20:58:47, rontysee wrote:
Well, the earlier protos had a dedicated switch to change the orientation but it was inactive. It was in line of the mini usb port. It was said to get activated in the final hardware. And now in the pic, that switch is not present. Check the first page of this forum for the older pic with the orientation switch.
AFAIK, that switch never did anything. It certainly would have been redundant to have that switch, when opening the keyboard did the same exact thing.
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rontysee
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But opening the keyboard every now and then to change orientation is nonsense. They better compensate it with an accelerometer. |
Muhammad-Oli
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Yeah I agree. What if you wanted to switch the screen to landscape, without the keyboard?
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rizzamarv
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@Boinng
First of all thanx for the lively discussion. I seriously learned a lot.
For me as a heavy mobile user the question of the screen is really important since I am not the best at keeping it out of pockets with keys, money etc. My Ipod touch is virtually impossible to scratch (The front. The back already looks awful  ) My P1 on the other hand (treated more or less the same) Is covered in big and small scratches... I don't really care to much about the odd scratch as long as the functionality stays the same. However of course it would have been a plus if the screen of X1 would have been virtually unscratchable like Ipods.
On the other hand the Ipod Screen does not allow the use of any stylus... it only accepts finger input (read somewhere that the ipod screen reacts to heat, so "dead" objects can not operate it). This when using internet over the wifi of the ipod is seriously annoying if you have a little bit chubby fingers
The HTC touch has a relatively hard screen (compared to P1) and allows use of stylus and handwriting recognition. So if the X1 had a similar quality (maybe will be a little more scratch resistant because its set into the phone) I would be happy.
I guess the only real way to find out is to have the device on hand
Again thanx for all the info!
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max_wedge
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On 2008-09-22 17:49:26, Boinng wrote:
Ok, I'll accept there's some glass in there as a layer within that top laminate, but you accept that another necessary ingredient in that laminate is plastic, and that's what really gives it the flexibility (while the glass holds its shape). The point is, one of those thin plastic layers is on top, and while the glass underneath may be scratch proof, the plastic is not.
In other words, the screen is not hard, it's soft! It will flex, and it can be scratched. That's not to say the Iphone or Ipod Touch screen can't be (I'm not sure if that's actual glass either tbh) but I'm pretty certain it's less prone, since they can use a much harder, denser material.
Anyway, you'll be pleased to know that screen protectors are already available - http://www.funkyafone.co.uk/product.aspx?id=5459 
EDIT: I did a little research, and the screen on the Ipod Touch (and Iphone) is indeed solid, optical glass - http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=7865576 - some still claim that a screen protector is a good idea, but nobody's reported actually scratching one..
The screen IS hard (or rather, WAS hard!) - in terms of flexing - pushing on the screen evidences no obvious flexing at all. However I agree the protective plastic layer on top could get scratched easier than the glass. However in practice I've never found it or any of my other smartphones to be scratch prone.
But then some might call me anal in my attention to phone care 
I guess the question is not damage to the LCD, we've established that, so flexing or not is not the issue really - it's more the resiliance of the material that makes up the top layer.
My initial impression was the guy who started this debate had a problem with damaging his LCD via pressure applied to the screen in use, not with scratching per se. But if he is scratching the screen in normal use (ie: not from keys etc, but through pressing it with finger or stylus), I am completely astonished, since it would seem to me extremely hard to scratch a touchscreen with a finger nail or stylus. If he is using a ballpoint pen on the screen well that is just laziness and you can't hold it against the phone if that's the case.
I really don't think scratching will be a problem with the X1, just as I've not yet found it to be a problem with any other touchscreen I've used regularly. But as you pointed out, screen protectors are available so anyone with concerns should just buy a screen protector. They are cheap enough.
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On 2008-09-23 05:01:22, rizzamarv wrote:
@max_wedge
@Boinng
First of all thanx for the lively discussion. I seriously learned a lot.
For me as a heavy mobile user the question of the screen is really important since I am not the best at keeping it out of pockets with keys, money etc. My Ipod touch is virtually impossible to scratch (The front. The back already looks awful ) My P1 on the other hand (treated more or less the same) Is covered in big and small scratches... I don't really care to much about the odd scratch as long as the functionality stays the same. However of course it would have been a plus if the screen of X1 would have been virtually unscratchable like Ipods.
On the other hand the Ipod Screen does not allow the use of any stylus... it only accepts finger input (read somewhere that the ipod screen reacts to heat, so "dead" objects can not operate it). This when using internet over the wifi of the ipod is seriously annoying if you have a little bit chubby fingers
The HTC touch has a relatively hard screen (compared to P1) and allows use of stylus and handwriting recognition. So if the X1 had a similar quality (maybe will be a little more scratch resistant because its set into the phone) I would be happy.
I guess the only real way to find out is to have the device on hand
Again thanx for all the info!
Glad you enjoyed our debate, I know I did.
It's interesting that you say the P1 is softer than the Touch - and this is the impression I've always had with the P1 ie: that it's softer than the WM devices I am familiar with. Hence why I felt the X1 screen would be hard also. In light of what Boinng has said, obviously there is a reasonable degree of diversity regarding screen hardness even in WM devices.
Hopefully X1 will follow the "hardness" camp of screen philosophy
re: capacitance touchscreens - they work like a laptop scratch pad - which also will only accept finger input, or some other skin surface - elbows or chins would do it too I guess
Try operating your laptop scratchpad with a finger nail only - no mouse movement at all
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WhyBe
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On 2008-09-23 04:54:59, rontysee wrote:
But opening the keyboard every now and then to change orientation is nonsense. They better compensate it with an accelerometer.
They've already announced that it doesn't have one.
On 2008-09-23 04:57:50, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
Yeah I agree. What if you wanted to switch the screen to landscape, without the keyboard?
I guess there aren't any applications to justify this feature besides photo viewing? Or maybe they just couldn't fit one inside the X1.
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max_wedge
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Actually, watching video s full screen with the slide closed is a definite necessesity.
I'd be surprised if they don't have some option like all other SE phones (and most phones on the market) to rotate the display for multimedia atleast. In fact 90% of WM phones with rectangular aspect ratios allow rotation of the entire UI. It's pretty much standard now. (acceleromters offer auto rotate, but manual rotate has been available onb WM for a while now)
There are also third party apps available for screen rotation which may work on the X1.
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djin
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http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/index.aspx?en-us#/product/2/1/
Seems to be disturbing/irritating however.
Btw, it answers the orientation thing too.
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Muhammad-Oli
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Oh god her voice is terrible.
"I just love this giant touchscreen"
"See how I've added the time and weather forecast for Bridgetown Barbadoes? I'm going there soon."
"Looking through my photos is really cool"
Aaaaaaah! Shut up! She sounds like a computer voice.
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djin
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Indeed, Imo, Comp's voice( in xp n vista) is better. However, digging up further, i found the competition http://www.rocketxl.com/xperia/rules.html
and its approx. price about 599 Euro. |
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On 2008-09-23 01:17:41, pinguino2 wrote:
I'm been following this thread I believe Max is right from the first post. I am not expert on touch screens and I don't think Max is one either but for at least 10 years I've read or heard about multitud of different touch technologies some maybe don't exist any more.
But surely I read some where about accoustic pulse sensitive screens I though it was for some high end technology aparatus but now that Max mentioned it I realized we have it in our hand without even knowing. Others that come to head now seems may not be a reality yet like: Resistive, I think this the one that needs preassure, Capacitive I believe this is the one iPhone uses, Infrared, optical, reflexive...
I suggest you read through the thread again, including the link I posted to an article on the subject - in short, surface acoustic screens are not used in phones or PDAs and never have been. All these screens, bar the Iphone/Ipod Touch use resistive screens, made up of layers of glass and plastic (usually with a top layer of plastic) which allow for some flex and movement however small. These screens are all "soft", in that they all have to be sensitive to physical pressure on the screen - that's how resistive screens work. Only the Iphone/Ipod Touch uses a capacitive screen, which requires no movement and is made of solid optical glass.
Sorry to be labouring this point, but this is a simple fact - whether you can see the movement or not, and however tough the screen might be, a resistive screen is - by definition - softer and more flexible than any other type of screen. It has to be.
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Leks
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Picturs seems to get a yellowner colour with the X1, but its better in sports pics when players are moving:
X1 proto:
K850i reatail at same arena last year:
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WhyBe
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@Leks
They could have easily just changed the light bulbs at the arena. You should do comparison shots in the identical contexts. Or you just simply didn't have the white balance set properly. |
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