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PeterKay
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Another great verse from the Holy Quran regarding Mankind.
Chapter 2 Verse 213 state:
"Mankind was one single nation, and Allah (God) sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. Allah (God) by His Grace Guided the believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah (God) guided whom He will to a path that is straight."
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scotsboyuk
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From the Tao Te Ching concerning Utopia:
Let your community be small, with only a few people;
Keep tools in abundance, but do not depend upon them;
Appreciate your life and be content with your home;
Sail boats and ride horses, but don't go too far;
Keep weapons and armour, but do not employ them;
Let everyone read and write,
Eat well and make beautiful things.
Live peacefully and delight in your own society;
Dwell within cock-crow of your neighbours,
But maintain your independence from them.
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absinthebri
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My favourite Chapter from the Dao De Jing is Chapter 2. It could have been uttered by the Buddha:
Making things ugly
When people see beauty, they think, "that's beautiful".
Thinking of something as beautiful makes you think other things are ugly.
Calling something "good" forces you to call some other things "evil."
The ideas "difficult" and "easy" support each other.
"Long" and "short" define each other.
"High" creates "low"
"Tone" creates "noise"
"Before" creates "after"
"Have" creates "don't have"
This is why the Sage acts without effort and teaches without words.
New things are created and the Sage just accepts them.
Things fade away and the Sage accepts that too.
A Sage can have things without feeling they "own" them.
The Sage does things without putting an emotional stake into the outcome.
The task is accomplished, but the Sage doesn't seek credit or take pride in the accomplishment.
Because the Sage is not attached to the accomplishment, the accomplishment lasts forever.
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scotsboyuk
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@absin
A most interesting and profound chapter indeed. An alternative translation reads:
When beauty is abstracted
Then ugliness has been implied;
When good is abstracted
Then evil has been implied.
So alive and dead are abstracted from nature,
Difficult and easy abstracted from progress,
Long and short abstracted from contrast,
High and low abstracted from depth,
Song and speech abstracted from melody,
After and before abstracted from sequence.
The sage experiences without abstraction,
And accomplishes without action;
He accepts the ebb and flow of things,
Nurtures them, but does not own them,
And lives, but does not dwell.
Different words, same meaning.
This chapter incorporates a lot of what it means to be a Taoist. I find it prudent to contemplate these chapters once I read them, even if I have read them before. One finds new meaning in such timeless wisdom.
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DJcreamz
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@scots
I done the test again as i had misses some questions out, these questions certainly made a large change to the outcome, This is by far one of the most intresting topics ive seen in a while.
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I find it prudent to contemplate these chapters once I read them, even if I have read them before. One finds new meaning in such timeless wisdom.
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You used words in that sentance i wasnt sure exsisted
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scotsboyuk
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@DJ
Even slightly altering one's answers can produce rather different results.
Which words? 
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scotsboyuk
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Perhaps we could start a little tradition of offering a daily piece of wisdom from each religion or way of life. Each day someone posts something from a certain religion.
I shall start:
The Tao Te Ching on People:
The sage does not distinguish between himself and the world;
The needs of other people are as his own.
He is good to those who are good;
He is also good to those who are not good,
Thereby he is good.
He trusts those who are trustworthy;
He also trusts those who are not trustworthy,
Thereby he is trustworthy.
The sage lives in harmony with the world,
And his mind is the world's mind.
So he nurtures the worlds of others
As a mother does her children.
Whomever posts each day nominates the religion the next day's wisdom shall come from. You don't have to be a follower of that faith to post something from it.
I choose Islam for tomorrow's quote.
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PeterKay
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Good idea scotsboyuk.
Will be prepared tomorrow 
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scotsboyuk
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@PeterKay
Perhaps you can help me with a query I have. As I understand it Islam does not differentiate between secular government and religion, government is subordinate to religion in Islam.
If this is the case why isn't there greater moves towards a single Muslim state rather than individual Muslim states? Wouldn't that be more in keeping with Islam?
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PeterKay
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That's a good question buddy, for one i do not have an answer.
Maybe more problems would occur in having as Islamic state, i personally think it should be kept as it is even though many would disagree with me. Especially in a country like the UK where Muslims are a minority it would be better if kept as it is at the moment.
This is just my point of view but i would like to hear what most other members think of this excellent question you have asked !!
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amd1129
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I am religious. :-D
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PeterKay
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On 2005-07-15 17:14:29, amd1129 wrote:
I am religious. 
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Congatulations.
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Thanx
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scotsboyuk
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@PeterKay
I wasn't meaning ostensibly non-Muslim countries like the Uk so much as I was meaning overly Muslim countries likes Iran, Pakistan, Egypt, etc. I am aware that Egypt and Syria were once a single country, but that split apart.
Muslims in one country seem to care a great deal about Muslims in other copuntries and there appears to be a trans-national bond of sorts.
On a seperate note, who are the leading figures in Islam? Christianity obviously has the Pope, the Patriarch, etc does Islam have equivalents?
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vanquish
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Is anybody here Christian?
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