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rizzamarv
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On 2008-09-22 04:49:27, max_wedge wrote:
usually WM phones have hard screens
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anonymuser
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On 2008-09-22 04:49:27, max_wedge wrote:
usually WM phones have hard screens
That's not true, sorry - none of them have "hard" screens like that on the Ipod Touch the previous poster was referring to. That's a touch capacitance screen, which no WM device has supported to date, and you can be absolutely sure we'd have heard if the X1 was about to change that.
The X1 will have a "soft" screen, similar to the P1 and the majority of traditional touchscreen phones. if you want a screen like the ipod touch on a smartphone, it has to be the iphone.
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MYB87
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i think that they need the soft screens for the handwriting recognition |
Caspa
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So when do we think retail/production models will be available to reviewers then?!
surely it must be soon if the phone ships in a couple weeks... |
l337h1um
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On 2008-09-21 02:42:20, max_wedge wrote:
As usually the marketing spin makes the demo a little un-informative. Just the same old spin we've already heard. I thought it was particularly funny when he called the screen "YVGA" 
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On 2008-09-22 08:28:20, Janbobejan wrote:
I don't think you should worry about that issue. People are not going to buy this phone to take photos and make videos. If you are looking for that then you have to get a N95 or a INNOV8 
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max_wedge
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On 2008-09-22 08:56:35, Boinng wrote:
On 2008-09-22 04:49:27, max_wedge wrote:
usually WM phones have hard screens
That's not true, sorry - none of them have "hard" screens like that on the Ipod Touch the previous poster was referring to. That's a touch capacitance screen, which no WM device has supported to date, and you can be absolutely sure we'd have heard if the X1 was about to change that.
The X1 will have a "soft" screen, similar to the P1 and the majority of traditional touchscreen phones. if you want a screen like the ipod touch on a smartphone, it has to be the iphone.
Sorry my bad, I thought he meant soft to touch ie: when you press the screen it impacts through the cover to the lcd. WM phones usually have a rigid cover over the lcd that can be tapped hard without impacting the lcd at all.
Since his question was about durability I though that was what he meant. In fact looking back on his post I still tend to think my answer is the answer he was looking for. The P series I have played with have softer lcd covers than most WM devices I've used.
Anyway thanks for your input. Maybe you think I am an X1 apologist but I was not trying to impart any magical qualities to the X1, I am quite aware it doesn't use touch capcitance.
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max_wedge
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On 2008-09-22 08:28:20, Janbobejan wrote:
I don't think you should worry about that issue. People are not going to buy this phone to take photos and make videos. If you are looking for that then you have to get a N95 or a INNOV8
they may not buy it primarily for that function, but they may still wish to use this capacity at times. Very few people buy a phone ONLY based on it's imaging performance, that doesn't mean they won't want to use it for images or video even if it's not as good as N95.
People who want a high res screen and Windows Mobile will have no use for the Innov8
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anonymuser
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On 2008-09-22 13:04:40, max_wedge wrote:
Sorry my bad, I thought he meant soft to touch ie: when you press the screen it impacts through the cover to the lcd. WM phones usually have a rigid cover over the lcd that can be tapped hard without impacting the lcd at all.
No they don't. There are few recent models (like the HTC Touch range) where the whole of the front of the phone is one piece of flexible plastic, like the W960i from the UIQ range, but they aren't "rigid", just a little thicker than the screen on its own. If they were "rigid" they wouldn't work, they still have to flex to allow the pressure to register, in the same way as every other touch screen bar the capacitance type found on the Ipod Touch (and the Iphone).
In any case, anyone can see the X1's design is in the more traditional style with an inset screen, so it's unlikely to have that stiffer top layer of plastic. It's most probably the same as the inset screen on my HTC Tytn II - the same sort of soft surface as the P1 and every other UIQ phone I've had.
Since his question was about durability I though that was what he meant. In fact looking back on his post I still tend to think my answer is the answer he was looking for. The P series I have played with have softer lcd covers than most WM devices I've used.
I'm sure it was the answer he was looking for in the sense that it's obviously what he wanted to hear, but it was still untrue, unfounded, and very misleading. The type of screen used by WM is exactly the same as that used by the P1, that's the only truthful answer. Some are slightly stiffer than others, but by their very nature they're all made of relatively soft, flexible plastic, and they can all be quite easily damaged - you'd be a fool not to use a screen protector on the X1, or any other WM phone.
The OP asked if the screen would be "hard" like the Ipod Touch, and the only answer to that is no, absolutely not. The Ipod/Iphone screen uses a completely different (and some would say quite superior) technology that does away with the need for flexible surface, and the whole mechanism of physically putting pressure on the screen, meaning the screen itself can be completely rigid and hard as glass. It doesn't make it impervious to damage, but it certainly makes it a lot more durable than any WM phone's screen.
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Price Quoted on this website for X1 is 355 EURO, it seems to be a very good offer.
http://www.logitel.de/handys/[....]peria_x1_solid_black__302.html
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l337h1um
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But capacitance touch sensors are less sensitive, and unable to be used for handwriting recognition. You can't use a stylus with a capacitative touch screen, and so fine pointing with one is impossible. Therefore they are not superior period; rather, they are superior in certain applications. Like with the completely finger-based touch interface of the iPhone.
I think. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that.
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plankgatan
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does X1 support DNLA ???
does X1 support Xvid(DVix) movies ???
just curious....
im not bother to see the white paper
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Caspa
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Think thats on some sort of contract though... Cant read the text but there is a little asterix next to the price and then a heap of text at the bottom of the screen... |
max_wedge
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@boinng
Well I admit I'm wrong then but if you think you need to use a screen protector on a WM then I wonder because I've never had an issue with WM devices and touchscreens being damaged. I've never used a screen protector.
btw, I'm not misleading anyone on purpose - please get down off your high horse. In my experience WM phones have hard screens. We can argue about symantics about the meaning of rigid etc, but the fact is the screens are designed to protect the lcd and to say you need a screen protector just indicates excessive force is being used.
It's easier to force an impression on the lcd of my W910 or my mate's N95 than it is on any of my WM phones (I just tried). And the W910 uses "rigid" polycarbonate. The N95 screen is just plain soft though.
In my memory, and I admit I don't have anywhere as much experience with UIQ phones as I do with WM, but in my memory their screens are not as rigid as WM.
If I'm wrong fair enough but it's not because I'm trying to mislead anyone. I think you've got it in your head that anyone who makes any kind of positive comment about the X1 is an SE apologist. It's becoming a bit lame tbh.
note: my xda mini has a glass screen glued over the top of the LCD module, that's pretty "rigid" imho.
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totalgsm
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On 2008-09-22 14:23:23, Caspa wrote:
Think thats on some sort of contract though... Cant read the text but there is a little asterix next to the price and then a heap of text at the bottom of the screen...
Some one on this forum who knows German can confirm that for us.
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