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sapporobaby
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On 2007-06-04 22:37:49, plankgatan wrote:
you guys missunderstand me (im not trying to brag). he ask me something about Nokia and Finland, i just answered his dame question. it was just some off topic crap. (i thought it could be little fun, to tell your guys that my daughters mother has a Nokia boss in her family....... like i said, im not caring about it, i just thought it would be litttle fun). by the way, im still thinking that N95 is a really crappy phone............
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-06-04 21:49 ]
Do you think anyone here cares what you think or what you say? Do you really? Your posts are proof enough that you have very few coherent thoughts in your head. You get the award as the #1 thread de-railer, now move along will you. There are some serious people here having serious discussion that don't revolve around, "Nokia sucks" type of statements.
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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maggflodd
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@sapp...,
I really see where you're coming from, but maybe you should just ignore plankgattan...as you'd best ignore a spanner(EDIT: SPAMMER!!!  )?! Offending, even the offensive, will just escalate this downward spiral, won't it? A similar thread was locked a few hours ago!
Be the bigger wo/man!? Let him talk... i still think he's just taking the p*ss
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max_wedge
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Dogmanm, the issue of Nokia having taken so long to get their touchscreen together is a good point (we don't even know if they will be able to do it properly on first release - they had issues with it in s90 so I see no reason they will magically make it work without any bugs or troubleshooting in s60), since it shows that SE are by no means the only one to have been trailing in some area of technology.
I maintain that SE are leading the field in JAVA, non-smartphone features and UI's, touchscreens and camera phone sensors and camera phone UI's. As far as I'm concerned SE are leading edge in these areas leaving Nokia behind. So if SE "failing to produce good phones", then so are Nokia and all other OEM's.
So what Nokia lead in HSDPA, video recording and wifi? That simply doesn't translate to "SE failing to produce good phones".
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sapporobaby
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On 2007-06-05 05:55:39, max_wedge wrote:
I maintain that SE are leading the field in JAVA, non-smartphone features and UI's, touchscreens and camera phone sensors and camera phone UI's. As far as I'm concerned SE are leading edge in these areas leaving Nokia behind. So if SE "failing to produce good phones", then so are Nokia and all other OEM's.
So what Nokia lead in HSDPA, video recording and wifi? That simply doesn't translate to "SE failing to produce good phones".
Hey Max,
Not sure where you get the fact that Nokia is falling behind in Java, and non-smartphone features, UI's, etc... For the most part, I would say they are similar but with Nokia pulling away in terms of diversity and the willinginess to put higher technology into their phones. Right now, the current SE phones are just re-hashes of what is already there with possibly a higher pixel rate here or there. From a purely technological prospective, Nokia is a bit ahead of SE, and pulling away. It is not about who makes a "better" phone in my opinion. For me it is about supporting my computing platform, and providing new and better technologies in phones. In this SE falls well short of the mark.
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[ This Message was edited by: sapporobaby on 2007-06-05 09:49 ] |
plankgatan
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wooaahh sapporobaby, you really got me there.
(i really give a shit what you ignore)
on topic.
max_wedge, im totally agree what you say. the headline is completley false. certainly, SE isnt world leading on video recording, etc (the could be if they wanted, Sony have awesome routine with video technology). but i know why SE dosent
stake on video recording. for the first its demands optical zoom (at least 3 x or something) if you want some god dame quality, for second, the phone will get to large (like N93 or something), and thats not the thought about theirs Cybershoots models.
im sure that next SE Cybershoot (K850i), is nearly the same slim like k810i.
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-06-05 09:44 ] |
QVGA
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good video recording doesnt demand optical zoom, where did you dig up that theory? |
sapporobaby
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On 2007-06-05 10:43:38, QVGA wrote:
good video recording doesnt demand optical zoom, where did you dig up that theory?
Thank you for pointing that out again, and again, and again. Every posts shows how completely incoherent, baseless and well useless his arguments are. Thank goodness he doesn't work for my company. With competence like his, we would be out of biz in a day.
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plankgatan
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of course you can have without optical zoom (but see how its looks then). you gets a lot better quality with optical zoom when you video recording.
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QVGA
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On 2007-06-05 10:49:24, plankgatan wrote:
of course you can have without optical zoom (but see how its looks then). you gets a lot better quality with optical zoom.
yes but you said it DEMANDS optical zoom whereas it certainly doesnt. |
plankgatan
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sometimes i cant explain exectley what i want to say (i can do it on swedish, but it dont helps so much, he he). maybe i should write "its better" instead of "demands".
edit. you know as well as me, that you really need optical zoom to get good video recording.
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-06-05 09:54 ] |
QVGA
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no you dont, you need optical zoom to get good video recording only when you're zooming.
and i'm not saying SE should go out and put a 2MP video recording camera on their phones, QVGA res wont kill them |
Dogmann
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@Max
SE did have a lead in camera phones but Nokia has not stood still and done nothing they have continued to improve their products. They have another coming later this Year and this time with Xenon flash to. Also Nokia may not make such a big deal of their Music player but speak to people that know about such things and they will tell you the quality from most if not all of the top end devices is every bit as good as a Walkman phone if not better.
It really doesn't matter how many times any of you say well SE could do it and equip their devices with this or that technology the simple fact is they haven't bar one device the Z???. The T650 is a new device but the K810 is only a newly housed K800 with a few tweaks and the P1 is just a M600 evolution and has no new tech standards in it either, same chip graphics and bands just with the Cybershot camera and WiFi b plus the extra needed Ram.
Have you seen the pictures taken with the E90 camera which is producing some really good results and just look at the tech in that device. Even look at the yet to be officially announced N81/N82 that is what upgrading previous models is about not just changing the housing.
Hopefully the rumoured next announcement form SE later this month will bring something new and interesting, i really do hope so.
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sapporobaby
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On 2007-06-05 10:56:00, QVGA wrote:
no you dont, you need optical zoom to get good video recording only when you're zooming.
and i'm not saying SE should go out and put a 2MP video recording camera on their phones, QVGA res wont kill them
Exactly right. This has been one of the complaints from the SE camp for a while. I am not sure why they feel it is not necessary. Maybe, and this is a SWAG on my part, they feel that it would compete against their (they being Sony) digital cameras.
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plankgatan
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but please, do you really think thats optical lenses just improve the zoom !
of course you got better video quality (zoom or not) if you have "pure" optical lenses .
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QVGA
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On 2007-06-05 11:01:11, plankgatan wrote:
but please, do you really think thats optical lenses just improve the zoom !
of course you got better video quality if you have "pure" optical lenses (zoom or not).
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