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Nitro Fan
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On 2008-09-17 18:10:48, Boinng wrote:
Who said anything about changing anything?  I was just interested to see the arguments, since I came around to the Iphone idea a little while ago (waiting till October to get it).
Obviously Sweden still has some staunch support for the UIQ way of doing things, but for me it's history now. I'd take WM over UIQ for all its faults, but in October I'll be taking OSX over both of them.
Hi there, I am not so sure its about staunch Swedish UIQ support base, All the guys I know there use their phones as part of their work and the problem seems to be the Iphone is just not as good for what "THEY" want as their previous devices, which were in all bar one case P1's they other was till using his P990
I have owned the ... T68i T610, P800, P900, P910, P990, W950, P1, W960 But SE have now totally lost the plot. |
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S4k1s
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What is this talk about 340MB RAM?
Magnus said 38XMB so it probably got 384MB RAM - he is definitely not talking about ROM in the webcast - or did I miss anything? |
tregba
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@sk41s,
Just watched the webcast for the first time and he did say 38x and explain RAM with enough conviction to not doubt him! Got 340MB from UK reports, though I guess to be fair they might in turn have been talking about free RAM on startup...
@whybe
Looks like i'll be sending the touch pro back! You can never have enough RAM in any Windows environment! Hoping WM7 doesn't mix it up too much but from previous coverage main obstacle so far seems gfx acceleration and of course SE's willingness to provide upgrade path. Heck 9 panels doesn't look so bad after all! |
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On 2008-09-17 23:16:32, tregba wrote:
@sk41s,
Just watched the webcast for the first time and he did say 38x and explain RAM with enough conviction to not doubt him! Got 340MB from UK reports, though I guess to be fair they might in turn have been talking about free RAM on startup...
@whybe
Looks like i'll be sending the touch pro back! You can never have enough RAM in any Windows environment! Hoping WM7 doesn't mix it up too much but from previous coverage main obstacle so far seems gfx acceleration and of course SE's willingness to provide upgrade path. Heck 9 panels doesn't look so bad after all!
This is what Magnus Andersson is saying word for word
...and then we have 380 something internal memory, like a working memory, and that is also very competitive, and what that does is that it enables you to run several applications at the same time. It's like on your computer if you have a high RAM memory then you can do allot of things simultaneously, and that’s what it does. It brings you the ability to multitask and do several things at the same time...
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WhyBe
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Well, I'm not going to debate whether it has it or not. I believe them. It just seems odd to go that high without warning.
Magnus's explanation was very elementary sounding (so everyone could understand him). This contributed to my feeling that maybe he was misstating something. |
tregba
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@p85w
Yup, even though he sounded like a child while explaining it I think his description was conclusive enough that it will come with 384MB of RAM. Though, that being said, he did give an unnervingly long pause when asked the speed of the device!
It is rather late to be changing specs but either way, I guess we will find out soon enough...
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On 2008-09-16 14:21:23, Jabe wrote:
HSDPA is 7.2 Mbps, by the way.
I think you are getting 3.6Mbps HSDPA confused with 3G. 3G tops out at 384Mbps. HSDPA starts at 1.8Mbps at it's slowest implementation, and goes up to 14.4 Mbps. There are many devices with HSDPA 3.6Mbps (my W910 for example), and many devices now have 7.2Mbps.
HSPA+ brings the speeds up to 42Mbps uplink, 22Mbps down.
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@tregba
Makes me wonder why the whitepaper hasn't been updated yet. The SE X1 spec sites haven't either...
@max_wedge
Isn't the real speed limitation imposed by the max speed allowable by the service provider?
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On 2008-09-16 17:00:13, Jabe wrote:
and i asked about a higher spec phone as a whole. there are many nice phones out there but you cannot say for any of them they outspec x1, because they also lack some of the functionalities. it comes down to preference what you need and which phone comes closest to your needs/wishes.
That's my point about X1 low spec. What I'm saying is that the panels has the potential to provide a very useful touch interface to the WM UI. If this works, then the X1 could well be popular despite it's low spec. That's all I'm saying. I'm personally a fan of the X1, but if the panels are mediocre in implementation, then X1 really has nothing to distinguish it from faster better phones coming out soon.
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On 2008-09-18 01:43:39, WhyBe wrote:
@max_wedge
Isn't the real speed limitation imposed by the max speed allowable by the service provider?
No. Of course you can't go faster than the max speed of the provider, but if your phone only supports 3.6Mbps then even if the provider offers faster you will still only get a max. of 3.6Mbps.
The maximum speed of a handset is either the handset's theoretical maximum speed or the operator's maximum speed, which ever is the slowest (and of course governed by network utilisation and reception factors).
Check phone specs on gsm arfena - you will see some HSDPA phones are listed as 3.6Mbps, and some as 7.2Mbps. These are the two common HSDPA standards atm. Soon we should start seeing more 14.4Mbps in that list
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On 2008-09-17 16:52:25, Dogmann wrote:
Hi all,
I agree with Masseur that the Mini or Micro USB is indeed a great solution for both charger and or sync and charging although in my case not with a WM device but with a Bold.
Finally i have found a use for an old Motorola V3 usb in car charger that i am now using with my Bold, thankfully i discovered this just prior to buying one for the Bold that it turns out i didn't need.
This is one standardisation that i think really should be in all Mobile devices as it really does simplify things for all of us. One in car charger can last many devices same goes for desktop chargers and syncing cables to. It may not be as profitable for the company whose products we purchase and use but it is better for us and dare i say it the environment to.
I disagree. Having two connectors on a standard is not a standard. As it is some "standard" devices have usb-mini, some have micro-usb. That's TWO cables I need. I commonly use my K800, W910 and my Samsung. That's still only 2 cables I need. (and neither are usb mini or usb micro)
So it often really comes down to what you actually use. If all manufacturers utilised a common standard then it would work a lot better, but a large proportion don't play that game. For example of the 4 WM phones I've owned, only one used a "standard" (ie: usb mini). My others all use proprietary connections (hp ipaq, samsung, xdaii)
Though SE use proprietary I find they change their standard far less often than other manufacturers who use proprietary connectors. So atleast amongst my SE stable I have one connector for all.
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On 2008-09-17 13:38:47, Dogmann wrote:
For example for the last 8 months i used an E90 with a 4" screen @ 800x352 now in it's settings it offered three sizes of fonts small, normal or large. None of which lead to pixelation but did change the readability due to changing Font size.
Dogman, what a beautiful phone you have. This phone with a tradition of more than 10 yrs must be getting close to perfection. I sure the screen (5.86" sq) and aspect ratio of (9:20) looks great with a density of 48022 pixels per sq inch. and 219 linear dpi
Now i am using a Bold with 2.5" screen @ 480x320 but now i have a choice of 12 different Fonts and 8 different sizes. All on the same screen none of which look pixelated but all that look different from the hard to read for me size 8 to the much to large for me size 14 which again all appear differently dependent of the Font style chosen.
Believe or not, despite of having different resolution, screen size (3.11"sq) and aspect ratio (9:13) the density of the screen is very much the same as the E90 with 49383 pix/sq in and linear dpi of 222.
What all this mean? That a font size 8 would look the same in both devices sharp with no pixelation. (regardless of resolution and screen size). The only thing is that the E90 don't offer size 8 per se.
So screen size and resolution alone does not give you the whole picture of what you can or should expect. There are other things you need to factor in, as i have previously mentioned so far on every screen i have seen for the X1 the fonts look very small and difficult to read. Having a 800x480 3" screen seems too make little or no difference to that fact does it? it will be interesting to see just what choice of Fonts and Font size are available and in which screens they will have any effect or not.
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You are absolutely right. In another post I named at least 10 factors that affect the quality of a display. The only thing that a beg to differ is that a font size 8 in the Xperia is sharper than any one of your two devices for the sole reason of a density: 96898 pixels per sq. inch. and 311 linear dpi.
This fact reflects the high quality of the Xperia screen where the pixels are smaller and closed together. Any density above that will be very hard for the human eye to see any signicant difference.
If you look at the table a couple of pages back you know without even looking at the screen that Omnia may have some pixelation and that a font size 8 will be imposible to read. (in fact I already read postings somewhere of people complaining about this in the Omnia)
i have seen for the X1 the fonts look very small and difficult to read. Having a 800x480 3" screen seems too make little or no difference to that fact does it?
Maybe you are saying this based on Youtube videos or pictures reduced and posted in the internet.
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NimmyxHuynh
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Those who are planning on getting the X1
which one are y'all getting?
Silver or Black? |
EMAGDNIM
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I'm thinking black myself... |
tregba
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@whybe
I know, next Magnus will casually drop that led flash is now xenon...
@nimmyxhuynh
first i thought black at announcement but after seeing a few videos i definitely prefer silver. |
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