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XperiaJunkie
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^ You can at the minute set the ISO levels in manual controls and someone mentioned a page or 2 back on how we will be able to control the shutter speed in a future update but when that will be I don't know hopefully it will be with the 4.3 update or even KitKat.
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moogoo
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Well, that press release information does create some excitement! but I have my doubts.
1) as others have said, we haven't seen a BionZ branded chip in a teardown .. yet. Whether that's cause the teardown that exists doesn't highlight it or it simply doesn't exist or it's not branded (doubtful) is unknown.
2) PR is PR.. they twist and puff words to make things sound greater than they may be in reality. Also, it wouldn't be the first time Sony has talked about or demoed features that didn't make it to the final product (e.g., smartwatch 2). The proof is in the pudding, as they say. I won't get my hopes up until it's on my phone.
3) You would think if these things were all true, they would be highlighted much more in marketing. Especially the full manual with shutter speed, etc coming. These are things photo-centric users want to see.
4) Maybe these updates are for the 4.3 push or maybe even kitkat for some reason.
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they BOINZ engine might be the same software/algorithm from the camera line up but process by the S800 soc. I don't know anything about camera hardware, but I don't think they have high end mobile processor in them, everything is running on a dedicated chip? S800 might be powerful and enough to preform/process what the dedicated boinz chip found in the camera line up? And yes, the Z1 camera software at its current stage is seriously lacking, need a major update. Like it doesn't even have 13MP and 18 MP shooting mode. The phone is also capable of 1080p 60fps but you have to use a 3rd party app. They need 4K video recording also. Note 3 4k downsample to 1080p proofs that watching 4K vid on 1080p, makes a huge difference. |
moogoo
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gitaroo - if the PR stuff is to true, then Z1 has a dedicated chip distinct from the S800, which would mean it is more than a software processing engine. stand alone cameras do have a dedicated bionz image processing chip. you can see them easily if you search for camera teardowns. the chip is branded with BIONZ.
the camera software is not that bad. We just expect a lot more. I was using my friend's S4 camera this past weekend and I was shocked at how lacking it was! The options were so limited. Although, I agree there could be more options in the camera software as well as more features. Perhaps Sony is waiting for 4.3? We'll see 
@all - i'm gonna try to see if i can get sony xperia on twitter to confirm/deny the info in the PR. though, they will probably just ignore me
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Then the BOINZ processing is most likely being handle by the S800, its GPU is probably powerful enough to do what a dedicated BOINZ chip can do. Yeah, 4.3 update is suppose to coming out soon-ish, like in Nov according to ZOMG irc. Yeah come on 4k video recording! Hopefully it record in H 265 format too. Been playing with the camera for a week now still havent figure out how to take good low light photo. |
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@XperiaJunkie, up to 800 ISO currently yes, I was wondering if Sony would add 1600, and 3200 ISO, I should have been more clear, sorry.
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@ascariss - you can adjust ISO up to 1600 and 3200 in 8mp manual mode. only up to 800 in 20mp manual mode (wonder why)..
@gitaroo - i don't know how you're concluding a dedicated image processing chip = GPU or anything related to the S800. like i said, if the PR info is true, then it should be distinct from the S800. Of course, we'll never really know the truth unless someone knows a sony engineer who designed the circuit board.
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XperiaJunkie
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@Ascariss here is a screen shot from my Z1 showing ISO upto 3200 in 8MP manual mode.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/103473117@N06/10444535805/
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I have had a scout around all things releated to the "BIONZ image processing engine" on documents, adverts, promos they dont the mention the word "chip" is is always referred to as a processing engine which in my guess would make it software based like the MBE was. Sony haven't included the chip I think for a few reasons.
1. Do they really want a phone as good as their PAS compact cameras
2. Cost, including the chip my have increased the cost of the phone at £599.99 here in the UK it is quiet expensive already
3. Space maybe they didn't include the chip as the simply didn't have enough room which of resulted in the phone being even bigger (I know the chip is tiny but it has to go somewhere)
These are all my personal theories as to why I think it is software based and as to why there is no actual chip.
Anyone agree.
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moogoo
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xperiajunkie - just search for bionz processing chip and you'll see many circuit boards with a branded chip. it's a standalone chip, not software (at least in standalone cameras)
i think you're confusing the BIONZ processing chip vs. the BIONZ processing engine. The engine is executed by the standalone chip.
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I know it is a dedicated chip I have no problem with that I just think Sony have developed New software that can basically do the same job as the BIONZ chip without actually using the chip in the device just the brand name. To be honest I hope I'm wrong about this and would love a dedicated BIONZ chip in my Xperia Z1 asK have seen the fantastic things it can produce.
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moogoo
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the chip executes the engine, so it's just a matter of putting the engine on a capable processor. the S800 is surely powerful enough to handle this, but the PR info says that the BIONZ doesn't rely on the smartphone's processor, which leads to the conclusion that it uses a distinct imaging processing chip. Is it the bionz CHIP? maybe not. possibly just a capable chip for mobile purposes (which makes it Bionz for mobile), but it's not the S800. (assuming all the PR info is true).
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@Moogoo I hope your right I really do but I suppose we won't find out until there is a proper teardown or someone from Sony speak up and answers our questions.
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moogoo
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oh i'm not trying to be RIGHT. of course i don't know for sure. I am just presenting my reasoning and conclusion ASSUMING the PR info is correct.
you should volunteer to rip apart your Z1  
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If I had £600 spare I gladly would I am as intrigued as you are lol. 
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