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NimmyxHuynh
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On 2008-09-17 02:26:15, arj2442 wrote:
Okay, so ive read about the X1 a fair bit, and watched the webcast, and im left with a horrible feeling that the whole device is built around a theory that isnt particularly good.
Panels...is it just me, or do we not actually need these 'panels', i meen, great, we can have fish swimming around the 'desktop' sometimes, and other times we can have the media player....big woop...to change panels requires pressing 2 buttons,...think about a normal phone, we can press the menu button, then the media player button, and there you go, the media player is open.
Im sorry if you guys think this panel thing is great, but as it stands, it seems that the whole idea which this phone is built around is just a bit of a gimmick...we don't need 9 friggin desktops! its just like the bloody menu on any other SE phone.
Anyone else feel the same at all?
I think that the Panel concept will allow for convenience. Seeing how, you can customize your panels to fit your needs.
Why have to go into the menu screen, when the panel that you're looking for is right in front of you.
Also, there's eight other panels that you can go through as well.
Some people might need nine panels?
Facebook, Google, Fish, Media Player, Opera Mobile, umm.. ok fine, I think nine is a lot but you'll never know, you might need more than nine panels haha.
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Muhammad-Oli
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I agree, and I think the media panel was used just as an example to show how panels work and what they are. You don't have to use that panel or anything! Switch it out and use one you wanna use!
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pinguino1
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On 2008-09-16 20:11:11, gavinrom wrote:
Given pinguino2’s post on 2008-09-08, display resolutions and diagonals: HTC Touch HD 800x480 and 3.8 in, Xperia X1 800x480 and 3.0 in, HTC Touch Pro 640x480 and 2.8 in., the screen densities (pixels/sq in) are as follows: 60,277; 96,711; 81,633.
Is one entitled to assume that Xperia X1 has the best sharpness of text and graphics and HTC Touch Pro is more readable than HTC Touch HD?
@pinguino2 please comment.
Thanks for your time.
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When you deal wth different screen sizes and number of pixels. it's like comparing oranges and apples. So the realistic measure is per square inch regardless of the screen size. The higher the better the readability, and the graphic detail. With Low res smaller fonts are not easy to read.
For instance. a complex drawing of 1 Sq inch "painted" with 96898 pixels vs the same painted with 26995 it is a dramatic difference.
...............sq in.... H pix...... W pix......Tot pix... pix/sq in
Xperia.......3.96.....800....... 480........384000... 96898
Touch Pro..3.76.... 680........480........326400... 86735
Touch HD...6.38....800........480........384000... 60202
Bold..........3.11.... 480........320........153600... 49383
iPhone.......5.69.... 480........320........153600... 26995
Instict.......4.11.... 432........240........103680... 25235
Omnia........4.53....400........240........96000.... 21206
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WhyBe
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Yes, the panels are a gimmick.
Yes, the panels are useful.
The benefit of the panels is in their practicality, not because of some technical wizardry. Nine of them run simultaneously (giving visual updates). They also provide a means of not bumping into the typical WM interface (unless that panel does so)--you go from program to program in two presses. It's  's way of making WM mainstream friendly.
Think of them in terms of everyday use--not in terms of expecting technical magic.
@pinguino:
If you have a 17" screen @ 96000 ppi vs a 1" screen @ 96000 ppi--the 1" screen will appear to be sharper and detailed but the 17" screen will have better readability (all else being equal)
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pinguino1
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On 2008-09-17 05:34:11, WhyBe wrote:
@pinguino:
If you have a 17" screen @ 96000 ppi vs a 1" screen @ 96000 ppi--the 1" screen will appear to be sharper and detailed but the 17" screen will have better readability (all else being equal)
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If you look at ONE SQUARE INCH they are the same. However in real life a 17" screen with 96000 pixel per sq inch doesn't not exist yet. Big screen resolutions are ridiculous LOW compared to mobiles. the number of pixel per sq inch is like 4 - 6000 compared with 96000 in the mobile
We getting now into other concepts like distance and size. I have another post comparing 32" 60" and 3" screens. I will look for it.
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Regarding screen resolution - if the pixel size drops below 0.1mm it can't be seen by a human (unless a magnification device is used). Now that's the theory - in practice very few people manage to see a 0.1 mm dot, with ,25mm been a more general limit ! And of course, we are talking about a bright dot on a dark back ground or vice versa. Throu color in and depending no the color shades, the above dot size goes up even more 
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pinguino1
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You guys are getting deeper and deeper.
There are many factor in he quality of a display. We can write a book about this. Let me mention a few, pixels, pixels size, screen size, distance, luminosity, brightness, contrast. physical quality of the screen, color, color bit depth. and the most important factor YOU, because despite of all the tech things your appreciation is subjective. (don't forget your glasses)
Let me try to make a general statement. (if I can)
Given everything equal the higher the resolution per sq area the best graphic quality.
If the resolution is the same ie: 800x480 but the size is diff 3" Xperia vs 3.8" HD then Xperia will LOOK sharper. AND assuming the exact amount of info on both screens then Xperia will look sharper and the HD will have the BIGGER bigger but a bit blurr.
The limt for the human eye per sq inch if about 100000. Again there are many factors assuming perfect conditions, lighting, contrast, color, etc The most important one is DISTANCE. you can see the pixels at 8" but not at 10 yards Large TV have HUGE pixels you might be able to see them at certain distance.
But the TRUTH and absolute THRUTH about how good is a display is only when YOU LOOK AT IT and say WOW You don't need all this theory to say WOW.
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Have you guys seen the iphone? 3.5inch screen on a near QVGA res. The screen is PERFECT. There is absolutely no pixelation what so ever. Compared to nokia N95 8GB with a much smaller screen with the same res. The pixels are quite visible. This shows there's more to just screen size and screen res.
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pinguino1
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Now let join the Touch HD thread.
By looking at the specs. I think except for the screen there is nothing new that others phones don't have. But this phone put them ALL together. So at the moment it's the most complete phone there is.
Having said that I don't think this is the phone for my needs or my likes because I need a real keyboard and the form factor is getting beyond the limits of practicality. my pockets aren't that big. It will be a bit uncomfortable in a women's hands. It may look like a book on your ears.
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But this is just me. I love that screen but I'm practical.
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pinguino1
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On 2008-09-17 06:52:06, QVGA wrote:
Have you guys seen the iphone? 3.5inch screen on a near QVGA res. The screen is PERFECT. There is absolutely no pixelation what so ever. Compared to nokia N95 8GB with a much smaller screen with the same res. The pixels are quite visible. This shows there's more to just screen size and screen res.
You are right. As I explained above there are many factors. The iphone, despite of the POOR ratio RES/SIZE the screen looks very good (not excellent) is the 16 million colors with good contrast ratio vs all the WM pones of only 65000 colors max
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@pinguino
About your ppi numbers--they seem kind of huge...shouldn't you be using a square root somewhere in your calculations? For example, this would achieve 72dpi, 300dpi, and so on. |
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Guys Guys Guys!
I wonder how many people here use a Linux OS? and how many of those self same people would call Multiple desktops in Linux a "Gimmick"
Just see it for what it is ,the "Panels" are just another way of interfacing with the device OS not some kind of holy grail, no matter what "La La Lee" and her Ilk from Sony Ericsson would like to have us believe. Remember they have to make it sound more exciting and special than it really is or no one will try it!
What we are actually being sold is a Windows Mobile phone with a different way of interfacing with the OS and thats all if you already know you don't like Windows Mobile I wouldn't buy the X1, you will almost certainly be very disappointed! in the words of the song "don't believe the hype!"
I have heard people referring to the Iphone as the device that is leading the market and the standard by which all others will and should be judged, Well this is in my opinion just nonsense.
I know people who have invested good money in the damn thing and cant wait to get back to good old UIQ3 why? because it succeeds! in the important areas the Iphone fails.
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On 2008-09-17 11:51:55, Nitro Fan wrote:
I have heard people referring to the Iphone as the device that is leading the market and the standard by which all others will and should be judged, Well this is in my opinion just nonsense.
I know people who have invested good money in the damn thing and cant wait to get back to good old UIQ3 why? because it succeeds! in the important areas the Iphone fails.
I'm curious - what are these important areas in which the Iphone fails, and UIQ3 succeeds?
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Dogmann
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Hi all,
Well two things strike me as being incredibly strange from the past few pages of this thread. The first is what is being said and claimed about screen size pixelation and how viewable it will be.
For example for the last 8 months i used an E90 with a 4" screen @ 800x352 now in it's settings it offered three sizes of fonts small, normal or large. None of which lead to pixelation but did change the readability due to changing Font size.
Now i am using a Bold with 2.5" screen @ 480x320 but now i have a choice of 12 different Fonts and 8 different sizes. All on the same screen none of which look pixelated but all that look different from the hard to read for me size 8 to the much to large for me size 14 which again all appear differently dependent of the Font style chosen.
So screen size and resolution alone does not give you the whole picture of what you can or should expect. There are other things you need to factor in, as i have previously mentioned so far on every screen i have seen for the X1 the fonts look very small and difficult to read. Having a 800x480 3" screen seems too make little or no difference to that fact does it? it will be interesting to see just what choice of Fonts and Font size are available and in which screens they will have any effect or not.
The second point is this whole Eco system of the panels and whilst some have tried to explain how useful they may be personally i don't think it's that big a deal IMO.
Now for the $64,000 question will i be able to live my life to the full and exist as a happy and healthy Human being without being part of this new panels Eco system? Who knows but seeing as I've managed 48 years so far I'm going to have to guess yes on that one.
But seriously though come on the panels may offer some nice shortcuts to running apps but it isn't going to change the WM world never mind the whole world. It is what it is some extra functionality that until it's launched and we see just what panels are written for it and how useful it really is we just don't know how good it will or won't be. But really it is just that and the only USP of SE's WM device just see it for what it is.
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On 2008-09-17 12:09:38, Boinng wrote:
On 2008-09-17 11:51:55, Nitro Fan wrote:
I have heard people referring to the Iphone as the device that is leading the market and the standard by which all others will and should be judged, Well this is in my opinion just nonsense.
I know people who have invested good money in the damn thing and cant wait to get back to good old UIQ3 why? because it succeeds! in the important areas the Iphone fails.
I'm curious - what are these important areas in which the Iphone fails, and UIQ3 succeeds?
Hi Boing,
These are the complaints listed to me by three friends in Sweden each of whom currently own an Iphone 3g, as you can see they are not greatly impressed.
As for me I tried one out for a while but didn't really like the interface much, and the battery life was shocking, 12 hours on a good day with all the bells and whistles running so I wont be investing my hard earned.
They don’t like the Camera
They don’t like no MMS
They don’t like no A2DP Bluetooth and lack of compatibility with other devices
They hate the browser and its lack of flash so now they cant get certain sites
They are not that keen on the lack of feedback through the screen!
They don’t like the poor battery life and they can’t now just slot a new one as they did before!
They don’t like no cut and paste
They hate the cost of running the damn thing
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