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WhyBe
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On 2008-09-16 15:51:37, Boinng wrote:
Hard to believe, but I think you're over-egging the pudding a little here - you seem to be forgetting that Windows Mobile itself has immense software support and a huge eco-system - SE's Panels is just a transitory, and so far unsupported adjunct to that. Even if it takes off and becomes a must have (and there's anything remotely worth having as a Panel that's not made available standalone for every other WM phone) you can bet someone over at XDA will rip out the Panels code and make it available for every other phone anyway, the WM eco-system is like that.
Yes, they may, but, you miss the point. As X1 is more mainstream, people aren't going to want to hack their phones to add features when there is an established ecosystem for doing it. I think X1 sort-of represents a tech-head to mainstream transition that iPhone also represents (and leads).
Looking at the Touch HD, if that launches this year which seems likely, that's a genuinely ground breaking WM phone with a feature set which is literally class-leading, and an instant consumer-friendly WOW factor which the X1 has never been able to boast.
That's BS. It's just another Diamond with a high-res screen and more mega-pixel camera. Otherwise, it's got the same guts as the TouchPro.
On top of that, it's come completely out of nowhere, compared to the long drawn out soap opera that is the Xperia line. It may well be about to make SE's painful efforts irrelevant.
 That long drawn out soap opera is what's got so many people fiending for the X1 now 
Yes, there is the WM ecosystem of software, but even Microsoft is creating it's SkyMart (or whatever it's called) to centralize what would be an incoherent mess to a mainstream person. | |
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s32bauer
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Hi,
I'm sorry if I have missed this elsewhere, but are there any videos recorded with an Xperia available to view online? Wasn't sure if anyone with a prototype had tried recording and uploaded a vid? |
erichui
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Looking at the Touch HD, if that launches this year which seems likely, that's a genuinely ground breaking WM phone with a feature set which is literally class-leading, and an instant consumer-friendly WOW factor which the X1 has never been able to boast.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-09-16 15:04 ]
Well like someone has already mentioned, what is so ground breaking about the Touch HD other than the bigger screen compared to the HTC Touch Pro? And just like you said that "outdated" is a tricky thing to define, so is your so called "WOW factor", which is also subjective.
I personally don't see any "WOW factor" in the HTC Touch HD at all.. From what I've seen from the HTC Touch HD, I have the same feeling that you feel from the X1, another Qualcom powered WinMo smartphone, with the same old so-so performance.
BTW, I don't actually see any WOW factor from the X1 either.
I was going to buy the HTC Touch Pro, until I got sick of waiting for it to become available in my country (Australia), and seeing that x1 is coming out end of the month, I plan to order the x1 from overseas. (because i like the SE experia x1 looks more than the HTC touch pro)
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Jabe
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On 2008-09-16 15:24:49, Boinng wrote:
Actually, nobody's used the word "outdated" here apart from you. The X1 is not outdated yet, it's a current generation Windows Mobile phone, no more and no less.
pardon for that. change "outdated" for "low specs". it's pretty synonimus in this context but i do apologise for interchanging those two terms.
and i asked about a higher spec phone as a whole. there are many nice phones out there but you cannot say for any of them they outspec x1, because they also lack some of the functionalities. it comes down to preference what you need and which phone comes closest to your needs/wishes.
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Peio
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@WhyBe
No offense, but I really can't understand what you see so special in X1 interface. Okay, the panels are a good idea for a task manager / shortcuts, and it will be for sure ported on other WM devices. And maybe one day you will install TF3D in your X1, who knows.. |
erichui
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On 2008-09-16 17:00:13, Jabe wrote:
and i asked about a higher spec phone as a whole. there are many nice phones out there but you cannot say for any of them they outspec x1, because they also lack some of the functionalities. it comes down to preference what you need and which phone comes closest to your needs/wishes.
[ This Message was edited by: Jabe on 2008-09-16 16:07 ]
I have to agree with this. Like the Touch Diamond, or even Touch HD, and iphone, the missing of a hard keyboard is the reason I did not consider getting one of those device. And for many people the camera quality would matter alot to them, but hardly to me at all. I currently use an N95 and i rarely use it to take pictures. |
aksd
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The X1 does'nt look all that hot after the TOuch HD imho. A 3.8in screen would be awesome.
@WhyBe
Good news for you mate. WM7 can run on current gen hardware. At least in its current form. So there just "might" be a WM7 upgrade(If SE and Windows have any sense at all there will be).
Pity about the lack of an accelerometer though.
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On 2008-09-16 16:21:27, WhyBe wrote:
Yes, they may, but, you miss the point. As X1 is more mainstream, people aren't going to want to hack their phones to add features when there is an established ecosystem for doing it. I think X1 sort-of represents a tech-head to mainstream transition that iPhone also represents (and leads).
No, that's what you and SE wish it to represent, but there's no evidence of that happening in reality. The Iphone has mass appeal off the back of the Ipod, Itunes, Apple's massive marketing budget (and expertise), and it's genuinely innovative UI that makes "complicated" features cute and accessable to the mainstream user. The X1 is a standard Windows Mobile handset with YAPI (Yet Another Propietary Interface) glued on top, and a bewildering marketing strategy consisting of (so far) an intensely boring webcast, and a confusing Johnny Mnemonic knock off. It looks like a business phone, it's likely to be priced like a business phone, and it's running a standard business phone's OS. The Iphone it is not.
That's BS. It's just another Diamond with a high-res screen and more mega-pixel camera. Otherwise, it's got the same guts as the TouchPro.
Those would be the same guts as the X1 then. More to the point, like it or not that screen most certainly does have wow factor - it's the sort of attention grabbing, one-of-a-kind, multimedia enriching feature that can make one average Windows Mobile phone stand out next to another - and yes, it's Iphone like, Iphone challenging even, and is the kind of thing that your precious "mainstream user" might just pick up in spite of themselves.
It's funny, until now we've heard endless tales of how amazing the X1's screen is, but now the Touch HD is set to blow that away completely, it becomes a "BS" feature. Interesting.
:lol: That long drawn out soap opera is what's got so many people fiending for the X1 now
Please. This is Esato. The people here are desperate for good news from SE, the X1 is everything to them, they've been hungry so long. Look outside here, and it's a different story. The X1 is already an also-ran in many people's eyes. It's no Iphone, it's not Android, it's not even the best that WM has to offer.
Yes, there is the WM ecosystem of software, but even Microsoft is creating it's SkyMart (or whatever it's called) to centralize what would be an incoherent mess to a mainstream person.
There's that mainstream person again - yes, MS are taking a leaf from Apple and Google's book and creating an Appstore clone, and that will have real clout for WM as a whole. SE's Panels, and their Panel downloads, are not the same thing. Panels are not apps, they won't have the power of apps, and they won't have the universal compatibility of WM apps (and the massive eco-system that already enjoys). It remains to be seen whether anyone, at all, will code for them besides SE. Unless the X1 is an amazing success, it's difficult to understand why any WM developer would devote significant time to developing an app for just the X1, when they could release something for every WM phone (including the X1) via Skymart.
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anonymuser
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On 2008-09-16 16:56:09, erichui wrote:
Well like someone has already mentioned, what is so ground breaking about the Touch HD other than the bigger screen compared to the HTC Touch Pro?
It's the biggest, best screen ever seen on any phone, by some margin, full stop. That's groundbreaking enough, far more so than anything on the X1. You'd be hard pressed to find a single area the X1 actually excels in - it hasn't the fastest processor, best screen, best keyboard, best connectivity, it's just a compromise of all the usual WinMo features for 2008 (a la the Diamond, Pro, Omnia, etc).
If you're into video on the move, then (Iphone aside) the Touch HD is now the natural choice. The X1 just lost a significant section of its intended, multimedia-savvy audience.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-09-16 17:20:13, aksd wrote:
The X1 does'nt look all that hot after the TOuch HD imho. A 3.8in screen would be awesome.
@WhyBe
Good news for you mate. WM7 can run on current gen hardware. At least in its current form. So there just "might" be a WM7 upgrade(If SE and Windows have any sense at all there will be).
Pity about the lack of an accelerometer though.
Thanks @aksd, do you have the final requirements of WM7 or a link or something? It makes sense that the latest gen of WM devices be upgradeable to WM7.
Boinng wrote:
It's funny, until now we've heard endless tales of how amazing the X1's screen is, but now the Touch HD is set to blow that away completely, it becomes a "BS" feature. Interesting.
The screen isn't BS...what you're saying is
It's a WVGA screen just like the X1 
Just a little larger but same resolution. What's the big deal? Are you looking at the same specs for the Touch HD that I am? It's a Diamond/TouchPro/X1 mashup. What exactly is so amazing about it over the X1? At best it matches the X1 (minus the ecosystem).
On 2008-09-16 16:33:59, s32bauer wrote:
Hi, I'm sorry if I have missed this elsewhere, but are there any videos recorded with an Xperia available to view online? Wasn't sure if anyone with a prototype had tried recording and uploaded a vid?
Check the BengalBoy review of the X1. He has a few pics and videos taken directly from the X1 available for download.
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Found a link on daily motion interviewing a MS employee. I think it was a Akhibara video or something along those lines, it was a three part video and towards the end of the first part he shows us a Samsung i780 running WM7. The i780 uses the Marvel PXA310 CPU, no accelerometer etc. I copied the link to send it to you but my comp crashed. A search should find the video though.
You have to realize though that just becuase they're testing it on current gen hardware would'nt necessarily mean it will release on current gen hardware. At motorola I've seen the Motorola A1200(MING) which is linux based running on WM6.0 but it never saw the light of day. THe final WM7 revision may require higher specs as well. But what this means is hacker "might" be able to get it running on current hardware.
Seriously speaking the X1 is'nt all that hot. As an overall packaage it seems quite ok. It is SE's flagship and a good buy for any SE fan. But the HTC THouch HD really does look great with the huge screen. the .8 makes hell of a lot of difference trust me. I'm using a 2.4in from a 2.8in and this .4 makes a huge difference. People who've used the Touch Pro and the X1 mention the .2 makes a difference as well. Imagine the 3.8 what an amazing experience it should make out to be. Like a hybrid between a phone and a tablet just what I've been waiting for. Although it lacks the processing grunt. If it had the snapdragon it would be perfect.
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WhyBe
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@aksd
Thanks, I'll search Daily Motion for the WM7 vid.
I always felt that resolution had more impact than screen size since resolution determines "how much" content you can fit onto the screen while screen size affects "how big" that content is. Then again, bigger screen also means bigger lump in the pocket too--so, "to each his own".
I don't expect anything to better the X1 until the next-gen chips hit the market next year. There will just be a lot of "matching" the X1 specs. |
Psycho Dave
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Leks is selling his Xperia prototype for overprice...
http://www.tradera.com/Sony_Ericsson_Xperia_X1-auktion-72752310 |
Leks
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yup, just testing the market. dont really think ill get it sold unfortunatly.
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aksd
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The resolution is how much content can be displayed on the screen, while the surface area governs how much of it is actually readable. THe Touch HD would be far superior in browsing than the X1 only for the fact that a lot of the font that would be very tiny on the X1's screen would be larger on the TD's screen. Did you get my point? You'd end up using the zoom far less. Also the larger screen would mean on the screen tpiing would be nicer as well. Viewing movies would be a far more pleasing experience.
But the bottom line is that hte Diamond, Pro, X1 and the HD are similar devices catering to slightly different market segments, each have their +'s and -'s. They're just about average nothing sensational, but at the moment its all we've got. And none of them trump the other on all points, its upto you to choose which would better suit you.
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