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Sound and vision set free with the Sony Ericsson Aino |
Tsepz_GP
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To me this is SE simply killing a phone with great potential, it annoys me to see SOOO much potential wasted by SE not making it a full touch, whats so hard? Were they too lazy?
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se_dude
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You will know more about it tomorrow. So lets just wait a while.  |
synn
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On 2009-06-16 03:31:00, se_dude wrote:
You will know more about it tomorrow.
Whoa! Was anything leaked? |
se_dude
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Well no.but i have a hunch.  |
hihihans
Joined: Mar 15, 2009
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From: Netherlands
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you get a proto? 
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anonymuser
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On 2009-06-15 16:53:34, synn wrote:
Like I said before, if it comes out with full touch, well and good.
On 2009-06-16 03:31:00, se_dude wrote:
You will know more about it tomorrow. So lets just wait a while.
I love how even the "fans" of this design are hinting and wishing it's going to change... but I don't see how they could have released review handsets without the UI fundamentals being final, do you?
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synn
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You mean PREVIEW handsets. |
anonymuser
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So would they release PREVIEW handsets with a funadamentally different interface to the one planned, without explaining to any of the previewers that they intended to make significant changes before release? Genuine question. What do you think?
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synn
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On 2009-06-16 10:40:32, Boinng wrote:
So would they release PREVIEW handsets with a funadamentally different interface to the one planned, without explaining to any of the previewers that they intended to make significant changes before release? Genuine question. What do you think?
In the hypothetical situation that the handset gets full touch, there is no "Fundamental difference" to the UI. It looks the same, except there is now touch support across menus. The Idou and the very first WinMo 6.5 sets that the press played with had UIs that were a lot less developed than this.
As I remember; GSMArena etc. stressed (as they do with all previews) that the handset is a pre-production unit and things can change. |
anonymuser
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In one scenario I can select any item in any menu with my finger on the screen, with the slider closed. In the other scenario I can only do this in one menu, and all other menus require me to open the slider and use the directional pad. To me, that's quite a fundamental difference in the UI, but perhaps things are different on your planet.
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synn
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You know exactly what I meant. Stop trolling and looking for confrontations. |
anonymuser
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What an odd thing to say - yes I knew what you meant, and I disagreed with what you meant, as in the post above. I believe a shift to full touch would be a fundamental change to the UI and I can't believe that they would be planning that while releasing the phone to previewers in its current state without making it categorically clear to them that a full touch UI would be present in the finished model. Otherwise the preview is pointless, and has simply garnered them a lot of bad reviews for no reason.
The Idou previews all commented on the fact that the interface was clearly unfinished, but backed that up with information (provided by SE) on the version of Symbian the phone was likely to end up running. Nobody criticised the UI as it was since it was made abundantly clear it was largely a mockup, with even the name of the phone still open to change. The Aino "previews" are quite different.
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synn
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First of all, no one knows what SE plans to do with the Aino, nor what the reviewers know under NDA terms. Therefore it's quite pointless to speculate on these matters at this juncture. Previews are always done with whatever hardware that is available at that point and yes, some people consider that as useless and wait for an actual review.
In case you're not convinced, here's a quote from GSM Arena on the Aino UI:
"Now we are not quite sure if this should be the planned behavior of the menu, but that's the way it is at this point."
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_aino-review-355p4.php
Making things categorically clear while handing over a prototype pretty much nullifies the whole point of R&D. |
anonymuser
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And here's that paragraph in full:
It's the new Media menu, which is controlled by touch. What's even more - the only way to interact with it is by touch, so if you slide the keyboard open for example, thinking of little D-pad action there, you would be out of luck. In such cases the new Media menu just closes immediately by itself. Now we are not quite sure if this should be the planned behavior of the menu, but that's the way it is at this point
Making it quite clear they're not talking about the general principle of touch controls, but the specific issue of the media menu closing itself when the slider is opened, which may well be a bug.
Here's another quote from the same review -
We liked the idea of the touch-enabled multimedia menu, but touch-enabling the whole user interface seems a much nicer option to us. But again, that would bring up numerous other challenges that will need solving.
Seems to me they're well aware of the direction this UI has taken, and SE's reasons for not pursuing anything further. I do like your idea of an NDA though - "here chaps, review this phone, but under this NDA you cannot reveal that it's going to be any good. Bad reviews only please - ta".
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synn
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Making it quite clear they're not talking about the general principle of touch controls, but the specific issue of the media menu closing itself when the slider is opened, which may well be a bug.
It has everything to do with the main menu too. At this point, the Aino's media menu and phone functions are set as two separate functions and this is why the media menu closes when you open the slider (One of the insiders pointed this out in the rumours thread). Then may change this and extend the touch to the main menu/ dpad to the media men. but I wouldn't know until its out. neither would you.
...and I like YOUR idea of a timepass though. "Here chaps, here's the same post that I've made a dozen odd times by now. This is my PoV and I won't change it even if jesus.H.Christ almighty comes down and tells me personally; but you're free to take the bait and make my day. Toodles".
...and this is why I don't wanna bother debating with you. You are under the impression that you can think from within the collective heads of the SE R&D dept. GSM Arena team and yours truly. Call me when you can do this constructively.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-06-16 11:07 ] |
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