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synn
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But as Rachael's already so out of date
I love how you try to pass opinions off as facts.
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domipost
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On 2010-04-01 13:48:18, Boinng wrote:
Sure, you can argue that the X10 has a better camera, or a better screen (though that last is kind of doubtful), but that doesn't "age" the Nexus One, at least not in the same way that the lack of MT will agressively age the X10 over time. Both these phones have cameras and screens, but only one will have multitouch, and only one will be able to run the next generation of Android apps (and indeed Android itself) with all the multitouch features as intended. Nothing ages any computing device faster than not being compatible with the latest software.
Luckily, neither X10 nor Nexus One will get Android updates so far ahead that they are based on multi-touch, so that's not a point.
The best UX and the best camera won't make an Android phone that can't run the latest Android apps futureproof. Likewise, I don't see what a bad camera has to do with anything - a bad camera is a bad camera, same now as it was then - the point is, that original iphone and it's crappy camera can still run the very latest version of the iPhone OS complete with the vast majority of apps in the appstore. In three years time, the X10 will be at least two OS behind (what are the chances of Android 3 not being completely MT from the ground up?) and probably won't run anything in the Market. And it's camera will be laughably out of date..
The cam won't be out of date cause they are not really developing anymore with that and in three years time most X10s and Nexus One's will be recycled, at some large pile of junk or in some closet. Cause you know, most people who buy phones like this ARE interested in new technology and WILL update their phone every one or surely every two year.
And you don't like to manipulate pictures, you have a PC for that. And you don't like to zoom in documents, you have a magnifying glass for that. And you don't like to be able to type more easily, and you'd rather not run the latest apps, and you don't want the next big Android update, etc etc..
You know, I can manipulate pictures, zoom in on documents, type pretty easy and run the lastest apps on my X10, WITHOUT multi-touch 
You know the amazing thing about hands? They have more than one finger and a thumb on them. Think about it.
Ever tried multi-touch gestures with the same hand you hold your phone with? Indeed, it sucks
You name me anything you might want to do on your smartphone, I'll give you an example of how developers might well implement multitouch in the interface for it.
Sure, you can implement multitouch in everything, but does it really makes it more easy or fun to use?
Oh, and I'm not saying the X10 the super phone and I'm not happy with all thing in it. (as you could read in my review, which i'd call pretty critical: http://www.allaboutphones.nl/[....]Sony-Ericsson-Xperia-X10.html) You know, I'd even be really if they would ad multitouch, but it's not that essential and it does not really matter with aging.
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On 2010-04-01 14:55:57, synn wrote:
But as Rachael's already so out of date
I love how you try to pass opinions off as facts.
"Rachael" is based on an old version of Android that even SE know they need to update as a priority, and is now revealed to be lacking a key hardware feature that's present on even the oldest Android phones, and utilised by Android 2. Which of these is an "opinion"?
For the uninitiated, Boinng's lips begin where Steve's bottom ends.
Carry on.
Fanboi bile won't save the X10, synn.
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Luckily, your needless bashing won't break it either 
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"Rachael" is just like Sense or MotoBlur. It will be updated periodically to work with newer versions of the OS. If you don't know the difference between a UI and an OS, go get educated and save yourself some embarrassment.
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Well said. I couldn't guite grasp what bonng was getting at there. rachael outdated, just because it's running on 1.6? don't think so. |
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On 2010-04-01 13:34:40, Arne Anka wrote:
On 2010-04-01 11:35:08, Nitro Fan wrote:
I am not impressed to hear  have been sneaky & cheap using a plastic screen and yet claiming it is mineral glass!
It probably is mineral glass, however there is a shutter proof sheet glued on top of the glass (the sheet is hard to notice if you are not aware of it), which possibly may give a plastic feeling. This is mentioned in the wihte paper and has also been confirmed by many Swedish X10 owners (see link below if you can read Swedish). It also seem to be removable if you don't like it.
http://www.minhembio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=237172&st=4530
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2010-04-01 12:36 ]
That's good thanks for the heads up.
At the moment I am thinking "sit and wait"
My XM5800 is super, it does everything I ask of it and I am out of commitment in June so I could keep it and drop in a real cheap data and talk SIM only rolling 30 day contract deal.
Just at the moment The X10 seems to be all about how great it will be when this and that is made available for it in other words it seems like its incomplete and that shiny black plastic just looks cheap and nasty reminds me of an old treo
I got mugged by Sony Ericsson last time round with the P910, we just got the P10 and we were told buy the P990 its everything the P910 is not or should have been and right now I can genuinely see it happening again with the X10 and I am not that keen to get a new handset.
I want to see how good the EVO is before I make a decision (assuming it comes to the UK)
[ This Message was edited by: Nitro Fan on 2010-04-01 14:41 ] I have owned the ... T68i T610, P800, P900, P910, P990, W950, P1, W960 But SE have now totally lost the plot. |
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On 2010-04-01 15:02:49, domipost wrote:
Luckily, neither X10 nor Nexus One will get Android updates so far ahead that they are based on multi-touch, so that's not a point.
Newsflash - Android 2 on the Nexus One already supports multitouch at the OS/application level. The Nexus One has also received official updates enabling pinch-to-zoom in various in-built apps. The Droid is getting the same (the Milestone has had pinch-to-zoom since launch).
That's now. In fact that was last month, or indeed earlier - eg, prior to the X10's release. Now how long do you really think it will be until multitouch features become even more embedded in Android 2 and the apps designed for Android 2. Bearing in mind that Android 2 was released last year, what are the chances of Android 3 (which we'll likely see by the end of this year, eg just a few months down the line) supporting multitouch even more? Looking forward to getting Android 3 on the X10? I wouldn't.
The cam won't be out of date cause they are not really developing anymore with that and in three years time most X10s and Nexus One's will be recycled, at some large pile of junk or in some closet. Cause you know, most people who buy phones like this ARE interested in new technology and WILL update their phone every one or surely every two year.
As an Android smartphone, the X10 will be seriously out of date by the end of this year - not in the harmless way in which it's camera might be a bit naff or its processor a little slow, but in the depressing sense that it simply can't do what everyone else will expect an Android phone to be capable of by then. It's share of the available apps will be reduced, and its user experience will significantly lag behind even older smartphones. By the end of two years, when people's contracts end, those users will be wishing it was landfill already.
You know, I can manipulate pictures, zoom in on documents, type pretty easy and run the lastest apps on my X10, WITHOUT multi-touch
Using the built-in apps designed for the phone. In a year's time, when you find you can't update to the latest version of [insert name of app you really like] here because you haven't got multitouch, you won't feel so clever.
Ever tried multi-touch gestures with the same hand you hold your phone with?
Yes, and pinching a picture or webpage with the finger and thumb of the hand you're holding the phone with is actually very easy. You'd know that if you'd tried it.
Sure, you can implement multitouch in everything, but does it really makes it more easy or fun to use?
The simple answer would be yes, generally it does, but the thing is, it doesn't really matter what personal objection you might have against it - in reality developers love it, it's a slick and easy way to implement controls on a phone which has little or no controls otherwise, and that means it will get implemented both across the OS (as it already is being) and across the apps designed for that OS. Bear in mind, once it's updated, the X10 may well be the only Android 2.x device not to have hardware support for MT.
You know, I'd even be really if they would ad multitouch, but it's not that essential and it does not really matter with aging.
Like I said before - nothing ages faster than hardware that's no longer compatible with software. The X10 is already not fully compatible with Android 2.
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synn
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Yes, and pinching a picture or webpage with the finger and thumb of the hand you're holding the phone with is actually very easy. You'd know that if you'd tried it.
In other news, Eric Cartman proved that if you stuff food up your ass you'd shit through the mouth.
nothing ages faster than hardware that's no longer compatible with software.
Nyah, your posts, which have the same content since the very first one, have aged significantly faster. |
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On 2010-04-01 15:12:43, synn wrote:
"Rachael" is just like Sense or MotoBlur. It will be updated periodically to work with newer versions of the OS. If you don't know the difference between a UI and an OS, go get educated and save yourself some embarrassment.
"Rachael" isn't like Sense or MotoBlur, "Rachael" is simply the codename for the X10. You're thinking of the Timescape/Mediascape software (otherwise known as the UX platform), which happens to run on Rachael. Way to go on saving yourself any embarrassment.
I don't doubt Timescape will get ported in some form to a future SE Android flagship (if one ever exists), but once you strip away the OS (out of date) and start catering for the next hardware design (drop all the zoom bar workarounds and implement full multitouch for example) the idea that this is still "Rachael" under the skin becomes rather meaningless.
As for the feeble, second comment, let's wait a few months and see how the vote of the wallet turns out.
It might actually be healthier for SE not to sell too many X10's, frankly.
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So MW600 only come in black? Does that black with my white X10? I can't have that. Does anyone want to buy it from me? I'm thinking of getting the IS8000 headset or using my white Aino's bluetooth set.
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synn
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On 2010-04-01 15:43:06, Boinng wrote:
"Rachael" isn't like Sense or MotoBlur, "Rachael" is simply the codename for the X10. You're thinking of the Timescape/Mediascape software, which happens to run on Rachael. Way to go on saving yourself any embarrassment.
It has been stated several times by several people with autority on the matter that Rachael is actually the codename for the UI and not the handset as many thought. Google is your friend.
don't doubt Timescape will get ported in some form to a future SE Android flagship (if one ever exists), but once you strip away the OS (out of date) and start catering for the next hardware design (drop all the zoom bar workarounds and implement full multitouch for example) the idea that this is still "Rachael" under the skin becomes rather meaningless.
...and the idea of three generations of phones with significant hardware changes still being called the "iPhone" doesn't bother you?
*facepalm moment of the day*
It might actually be healthier for SE not to sell too many X10's, frankly.
it might actually be healthier for the collective braincells of Esato members if you stopped posting.
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On 2010-04-01 15:29:34, Boinng wrote:
Newsflash - Android 2 on the Nexus One already supports multitouch at the OS/application level. The Nexus One has also received official updates enabling pinch-to-zoom in various in-built apps. The Droid is getting the same (the Milestone has had pinch-to-zoom since launch).
You got me wrong there, buddy. I meant that both won't be so far updated that they will see updates form Android that are really based on multitouch and require it. You can run Android 2.1 without multitouch too, though it has multitouch support
That's now. In fact that was last month, or indeed earlier - eg, prior to the X10's release. Now how long do you really think it will be until multitouch features become even more embedded in Android 2 and the apps designed for Android 2. Bearing in mind that Android 2 was released last year, what are the chances of Android 3 (which we'll likely see by the end of this year, eg just a few months down the line) supporting multitouch even more? Looking forward to getting Android 3 on the X10? I wouldn't.
True, Android 3 will come probably this year and maybe both devices will get an update. And yes, it will support multitouch to a larger extend than Android 2 does now, but it won't need multitouch. So yes, if I'd have an X10 when Android 3 comes out, I'm looking forward to using it on the phone.
As an Android smartphone, the X10 will be seriously out of date by the end of this year - not in the harmless way in which it's camera might be a bit naff or its processor a little slow, but in the depressing sense that it simply can't do what everyone else will expect an Android phone to be capable of by then. It's share of the available apps will be reduced, and its user experience will significantly lag behind even older smartphones. By the end of two years, when people's contracts end, those users will be wishing it was landfill already.
Sure, it will lag behind in user experience next to phones from that date. And so will the N1 and the Desire, and so does the Hero now, for instance. The only thing that will change in comparision to other phones is the apps it can run, and that won't be much of a problem probably cause most of the apps can be used without multitouch, and that's now and will be the same in one year time.
Using the built-in apps designed for the phone. In a year's time, when you find you can't update to the latest version of [insert name of app you really like] here because you haven't got multitouch, you won't feel so clever.
Luckily, I have a new phone every week so in one year's time I will feel a lot more clever with my phone than you'll do with your, euh, whatever phone you have now or then. Off course that's only my case, but for the X10 counts the same as I said above, most apps you can use without multitouch. Name a few things you think X10 users will miss out on because they don't have multitouch next year and why they are oh-so-important that you'd better not buy an X10 now?
Yes, and pinching a picture or webpage with the finger and thumb of the hand you're holding the phone with is actually very easy. You'd know that if you'd tried it.
The funny thing is, I tried it on more phones than you'll ever do and I still don't like it.
The simple answer would be yes, generally it does, but the thing is, it doesn't really matter what personal objection you might have against it - in reality developers love it, it's a slick and easy way to implement controls on a phone which has little or no controls otherwise, and that means it will get implemented both across the OS (as it already is being) and across the apps designed for that OS. Bear in mind, once it's updated, the X10 may well be the only Android 2.x device not to have hardware support for MT.
Name a few examples.
Like I said before - nothing ages faster than hardware that's no longer compatible with software. The X10 is already not fully compatible with Android 2.
Which does only out itself in zooming, typing a bit faster and some apps which aren't essential. Who cares!?
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On 2010-04-01 15:43:32, Ricky D wrote:
So MW600 only come in black? Does that black with my white X10? I can't have that. Does anyone want to buy it from me? I'm thinking of getting the IS8000 headset or using my white Aino's bluetooth set.
I was thinking along the same lines but I'll keep hold of the bundled MW600 for a while in case I can't live with them.
Slick white X10 deserves slick white earphones to match.
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On 2010-04-01 15:50:33, domipost wrote:
You got me wrong there, buddy. I meant that both won't be so far updated that they will see updates form Android that are really based on multitouch and require it. You can run Android 2.1 without multitouch too, though it has multitouch support
Again, you're wrong - the Nexus One has already seen "updates from Android that are really based on multitouch and require it" - they just won't be coming to the X10.
At the moment, the OS has slightly buggy support for multitouch - it's not used widely in the UI (outside of those stock apps that Google have updated for the N1) but the support is there for developers to use. And they are starting to use it. When Google iron out some of the bugs (which they're bound to do soon) more developers will use it, and then more still, and you'll soon have a crop of Android 2 apps in the Market that not only use multitouch, but will be completely unworkable without multitouch. The X10 will be unable to use any of them.
At the very least, that will soon mean few if any games for the X10. Naturally that won't be a problem for anyone here, all of whom carry their PS3 everywhere, but it'll be a bummer for everyone else.
True, Android 3 will come probably this year and maybe both devices will get an update. And yes, it will support multitouch to a larger extend than Android 2 does now, but it won't need multitouch. So yes, if I'd have an X10 when Android 3 comes out, I'm looking forward to using it on the phone.
I think you're wrong. More to the point, I think the chances of Android 3 running well or running any apps on the X10 are pretty much zero.
Sure, it will lag behind in user experience next to phones from that date. And so will the N1 and the Desire
Not in the same way - the N1 and the Desire might be a little slower than contemporary phones, but they'll still run all the apps. They still run all the games. They'll still do everything that's expected of an Android phone. The X10 won't, simple as that.
Luckily, I have a new phone every week so in one year's time I will feel a lot more clever with my phone than you'll do with your, euh, whatever phone you have now or then.
And to be honest, that's pretty much why I find your opinion on this fairly unconvincing - at the end of the day you don't really care how this phone fares full time, and you've probably only a little idea of what it's like to be saddled with a two year contract on a smartphone that's out of date after six months. For most actual, real, people, this phone will be a significant investment in both time and money - and I think those people will end up quite disappointed with SE over this.
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