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Nitro Fan
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On 2010-04-01 11:42:10, Boinng wrote:
It's easy to pidgeonhole the multitouch debate as a "techie" obsession that most users won't care about - nobody will notice out of the box after all - but it will become an ever more significant part of the user interface on other phones, including most other Android phones, and it will become a prerequisite of at least some of the apps X10 users will be wanting to download in the near future. The upshot is that those X10 users blindly buying the phone now as a "flaghip" device will end up being increasingly left behind over time as their hardware ages a lot faster than their friend's Nexus One or their auntie's iPhone, and that's something they will notice.
When that new must-have game at the top of the Android Appstore sales chart works fine on Billy's dusty old G1 but refuses to load on Bob's shiny new X10, Bob is going to be pissed off, and he won't be looking at Sony Ericsson phones again when that long old contract finally ends, because overall his user experience of the X10 will have been lousy and disappointing. Let's not forget that whoever's buying them, these are smartphones - they're supposed to stay smart and up to date over the course of their life, not be left idle with the same old features they came out the box with.
Trickois posted:
the Android Version and DT/MT will be largely forgotten as long as the overall User Experience is good.. Let's not forget that the iPhone itself has been way behind on pure Hardware specs and still is...
Say what you like about the iPhone, but at least the user experience has been consistent throughout - the original, three year old model still runs most of the same apps in the same way as the latest device, and has proven far more futureproof than the X10 is now destined to be.
I am not and have never been a fan of the iPhone I believe even in its current incarnation it is still flawed in a number of areas, however I am certain these wrinkles will eventually be ironed out as and when Steve Jobs decides for his followers what it is they want!
But you cannot deny that the iPhone is still the benchmark by which most buyers judge other Smart / Superphones by and multitouch functionality seems to be pretty much expected hence Android developers and HW manufacturers making it available. But IF  only wants to adopt the "we know whats best for you" bit of the Apple model then I think they need to think again and fast.
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CPW have them in stock... but are only selling them on new contracts currently... I had a quick look at one and am impressed... can't wait to get hold of it in my hand and give it a proper spin
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On 2010-04-01 12:50:11, goldenface wrote:
I can't seem to find a source where SE claimed the X10 had a mineral glass screen. I can only find scratch resistant - which is on the official press release.
@untitled
Do you have a link to the store that has the X10 at 460EUR? Thanks mate. 
Well that is still poor, but better than claiming it was mineral glass from the get go!
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phone4video
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On 2010-04-01 11:42:10, Boinng wrote:
It's easy to pidgeonhole the multitouch debate as a "techie" obsession that most users won't care about - nobody will notice out of the box after all - but it will become an ever more significant part of the user interface on other phones, including most other Android phones, and it will become a prerequisite of at least some of the apps X10 users will be wanting to download in the near future. The upshot is that those X10 users blindly buying the phone now as a "flaghip" device will end up being increasingly left behind over time as their hardware ages a lot faster than their friend's Nexus One or their auntie's iPhone, and that's something they will notice.
HW x10 ages faster then N1..? Are you sure? You're referring to MT.. N1 has a shitty camera and an even more shitty screen. Seen the artical about the pixels 
And OLED sucks in sunlight!
When that new must-have game at the top of the Android Appstore sales chart works fine on Billy's dusty old G1 but refuses to load on Bob's shiny new X10, Bob is going to be pissed off, and he won't be looking at Sony Ericsson phones again when that long old contract finally ends, because overall his user experience of the X10 will have been lousy and disappointing. Let's not forget that whoever's buying them, these are smartphones - they're supposed to stay smart and up to date over the course of their life, not be left idle with the same old features they came out the box with.
Trickois posted:
the Android Version and DT/MT will be largely forgotten as long as the overall User Experience is good.. Let's not forget that the iPhone itself has been way behind on pure Hardware specs and still is...
Say what you like about the iPhone, but at least the user experience has been consistent throughout - the original, three year old model still runs most of the same apps in the same way as the latest device, and has proven far more futureproof than the X10 is now destined to be.
So a good UX on Iphone and a (even then) shitty camera is futureproof, and a good UX on the x10 en the best camera ever is not futureproof..?
I asked a friend who has an Iphone, what's the use of MT. He came up with gestures and being able to rotate shit..
He knows I don't like to play games on my phone, I have a ps3 for that..
Now I know I can use one hand to control my phone, I don't want to use two hands, like an Iphone..
Also, do Bob and Billy do anything else with their smartphones except playing games? If they don't, they need an Iphone..
One interesting thing about the new iphone, I've read that it wil have 960x640 pixels.. It will have a fast processor also.
Any thoughts on that?
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viper7
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On 2010-04-01 12:50:11, goldenface wrote:
I can't seem to find a source where SE claimed the X10 had a mineral glass screen. I can only find scratch resistant - which is on the official press release.
@untitled
Do you have a link to the store that has the X10 at 460EUR? Thanks mate.
Page 5 on the white paper - http://developer.sonyericsson[....]608264/DW-102192-WP_X10_2.pdf;
'Scratch-resistant: Yes. Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass' |
untitled1
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On 2010-04-01 12:50:11, goldenface wrote:
@untitled
Do you have a link to the store that has the X10 at 460EUR? Thanks mate.
Here is the German comparison site: http://www.guenstiger.de/gt/main.asp?produkt=1055506
Here is one of the shops: http://www.telefrog.de/produc[....]hne-simlock--ohne-vertrag.html for about 457 EUR
And this one I prefer, as it has 2 protection foils for the display and a leather box fot the x10 inside: http://www.telefrog.de/produc[....]hne-simlock--ohne-vertrag.html (464 EUR)
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Arne Anka
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On 2010-04-01 11:35:08, Nitro Fan wrote:
I am not impressed to hear have been sneaky & cheap using a plastic screen and yet claiming it is mineral glass!
It probably is mineral glass, however there is a shutter proof sheet glued on top of the glass (the sheet is hard to notice if you are not aware of it), which possibly may give a plastic feeling. This is mentioned in the wihte paper and has also been confirmed by many Swedish X10 owners (see link below if you can read Swedish). It also seem to be removable if you don't like it.
http://www.minhembio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=237172&st=4530
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goldenface
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@viper7 Thanks buddy.
@untitled1
Thanks for that. I'm gonna check em out.
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On 2010-04-01 12:54:59, phone4video wrote:
HW x10 ages faster then N1..? Are you sure? You're referring to MT.. N1 has a shitty camera and an even more shitty screen. Seen the artical about the pixels
And OLED sucks in sunlight!
Sure, you can argue that the X10 has a better camera, or a better screen (though that last is kind of doubtful), but that doesn't "age" the Nexus One, at least not in the same way that the lack of MT will agressively age the X10 over time. Both these phones have cameras and screens, but only one will have multitouch, and only one will be able to run the next generation of Android apps (and indeed Android itself) with all the multitouch features as intended. Nothing ages any computing device faster than not being compatible with the latest software.
So a good UX on Iphone and a (even then) shitty camera is futureproof, and a good UX on the x10 en the best camera ever is not futureproof..?
The best UX and the best camera won't make an Android phone that can't run the latest Android apps futureproof. Likewise, I don't see what a bad camera has to do with anything - a bad camera is a bad camera, same now as it was then - the point is, that original iphone and it's crappy camera can still run the very latest version of the iPhone OS complete with the vast majority of apps in the appstore. In three years time, the X10 will be at least two OS behind (what are the chances of Android 3 not being completely MT from the ground up?) and probably won't run anything in the Market. And it's camera will be laughably out of date..
I asked a friend who has an Iphone, what's the use of MT. He came up with gestures and being able to rotate shit..
He knows I don't like to play games on my phone, I have a ps3 for that..
And you don't like to manipulate pictures, you have a PC for that. And you don't like to zoom in documents, you have a magnifying glass for that. And you don't like to be able to type more easily, and you'd rather not run the latest apps, and you don't want the next big Android update, etc etc..
Now I know I can use one hand to control my phone, I don't want to use two hands, like an Iphone..
You know the amazing thing about hands? They have more than one finger and a thumb on them. Think about it.
Also, do Bob and Billy do anything else with their smartphones except playing games? If they don't, they need an Iphone..
You name me anything you might want to do on your smartphone, I'll give you an example of how developers might well implement multitouch in the interface for it.
One interesting thing about the new iphone, I've read that it wil have 960x640 pixels.. It will have a fast processor also.
Any thoughts on that?
It's all open speculation at the moment - all anyone really knows is that there will be a new iPhone in June/July. I'm sure they'll make it faster still, and it's probably time for a higher-res screen, but there's a million other less predictable things they might do..
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looks like the X10 will be the last and final flag ship from SE..... now i MUST have it. :/
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I doubt it.
The X10, with its UX, was in development for a long time - which is probably why it was based on Android 1.6.
I'm guessing future Android Xperias won't have this long development time as future iterations of the UX will simply be a development of 'Rachael'.
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On 2010-04-01 14:14:38, goldenface wrote:
I doubt it.
The X10, with its UX, was in development for a long time - which is probably why it was based on Android 1.6.
I'm guessing future Android Xperias won't have this long development time as future iterations of the UX will simply be a development of 'Rachael'.
But as Rachael's already so out of date, surely their next Android flagship (if there is one) would need to be developed again from scratch anyway?
Sure, there'll be the X10 Mini and whatever else spun out from it, but they won't be flagship phones. The X10 replacement would need to be significantly different, and it will probably need to come soon, too.
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When I refer to 'Racheal' Im referring to the skin the layered over Android - Timescape etc. It seems pretty complex and I'm guessing this is what took so long to develop. It would just receive updates rather like the Walkman media players on Walkman phones.
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On 2010-04-01 14:14:38, goldenface wrote:
I doubt it.
The X10, with its UX, was in development for a long time - which is probably why it was based on Android 1.6.
I'm guessing future Android Xperias won't have this long development time as future iterations of the UX will simply be a development of 'Rachael'.
oh man! i just realized it's april fools.... damn it. forget my post hahaha...
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gotanyglazby
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Has anyone seen any decent 12 month contract deals?..
Best i've seen is £99 for the phone.. £35 a month... vodafone.
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