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Sony Ericsson 8.1MP C905 Discussion (Shiho) |
AbuBasim
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plankgatan ignored my question again... Since he doesn't want to refute my claim about him lying, it means that I was correct 
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AbuBasim
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On 2008-10-19 08:14:58, plankgatan wrote:
well..........c902/c905 CMOS sensor knock i-mobile902 CCD quite far away at daylight conditions and even macro......
Guess which camera phone this one came from...
(Gallery page)
Here's a center crop from the same photo:
Let me know when your macro shots look like this 
(AND LETS GET BACK TO TOPIC PLEASE)...this thread is for the great upcoming 8m.p cmos sensor c905 features. (not some ugly, cheap thai-phone  )
Go back and check. It was you that brought up the i-mobile 902.
In your mind there is only one camera phone with CCD? You seem to have some kind of issue specifically with this phone. Why? Because (almost) everyone says that it beats all SE camera phones? And you don't like this kind of talk?
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I'm dying to see a shootout between the C905 (8 MP EXMOR CMOS) and the Sharp SH-01A (8 MP CCD).
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Vipera ammodytes
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imobile 902 is better then any SE camera phone to date... no discussion
sad but true
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@Abu Basim:
Seems like not all people will have the same opinion  he's the only person i know here who is so persistent about believing CMOS being better than CCD. Let him believe what he wants to. people here know how superior i-mobile 902 camera (specifically the ICX-495) is and I do believe Sharp SH-01 eats all 8mp CMOS phones alive
@vipera: at least to be fair, put it not only against SE but to nokia, motorola and samsung(outside korea) as well - LG have KG920 which uses the same sensor in imobile
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AbuBasim
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@razec,
That's why I said "(almost) everyone"
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just looking in a cataloge there are two survalence camera's, they are the same except for one thing - one has an omnivision colour cmos and the other has a sony HAD colour ccd. The cmos is NZD60 and the ccd is NZD180.
Also I couldnt help but notice - the ccd uses 110ma and the cmos uses 30ma.
I guess that's why the choose cmos for phones
(oh and btw the ccd sensor is 1/3" and the cmos is 1/4")
Also, only that camera and the other two cheapest ones use omnivison cmos'es the rest are either Sony(colour) or Samsung(black and white)
The most expensive camera uses a sony ss2 (min lux 0.001 )
If there was a camrea phone with an ss2, it would rule the world of nightshots - without even having a xenon!
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NightBlade
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I think we should create a special CMOS vs. CCD thread for you guys...
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Just looking, that's all 
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AbuBasim
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On 2008-10-19 09:53:29, yea g wrote:
The most expensive camera uses a sony ss2 (min lux 0.001 )
If there was a camrea phone with an ss2, it would rule the world of nightshots - without even having a xenon!
Did you read the news a few days ago? Black Silicon Could Usher in Huge Improvements in Solar Cells, Consumer Electronics. This paragraph caught me:
Black silicon was later found to have extreme sensitivity to light and is on the verge of commercialization for use in night vision systems. James Carey, co-founder of SiOnyx, said, "We have seen a 100 to 500 times increase in sensitivity to light compared to conventional silicon detectors."
It would be nice if we would see the same technology used in cameras and camera phones.
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marty mcfly
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NightBlade is right. People come to this thread to discuss and hear news about the C905 specifically, and not which is best between CMOS and CCD. Please start a new thread if the argument is to continue. 2 pages of this so far!
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masseur
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a few points here... cmos vs ccd has been discussed in many topics previously and also as we approach release date of any phone, there is usually a lull in what can be discussed about that phone
Also, I guess in any high end camera device, you can't avoid discussing the quality of the pics produced and hence the technology implemented
for these reasons I've let this continue here rather than suggesting yet another separate cmos vs ccd discussion
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tobias84
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I agree with nigtblade, we allready know that C905 has an CMOS sensor and this thread is about C905 not about witch sensor whos is the better one, when we allready know wich sensor c905 have and we can't do nothing about it.
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plankgatan
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looks like some people think that CCD means everything..
when you look at large landscape views taken by i-mobile902 the details often looks quite blurred, it dosent handle a lot of details good at all outdoor. in this conditions c902, k800, k770, etc, produce sharper pics.
this are from Esato photo section...all pics is taken in daylight (or whatever) you clearly see what im talking about..the details looks blurred..why...well its not because it have a CCD sensor...it because Samart didnt stake on good optic...they just staked on a "good" sensor....................
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=14796
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=13885
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=12937
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=6158
(i can truely say that i havnt seen many sharp daylight/landscape taken by i-mobile).....
well...thats my last quote about CCD Vs CMOS
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AbuBasim
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On 2008-10-19 11:41:50, plankgatan wrote:
well its because it have CCD sensor...it because Samart didnt stake on good optic...they just staked on a "good" sensor....................
First you say it's because of the sensor, then you say it's because of the lens. Which one is it?
First, what phone was used for the last photo? You saw it yourself and edited your post.
Second, tell me what's wrong with the photos? For example the third photo, the rose shot. Here's a full size crop of it. How would this have looked at full size if taken by for example your favorite, the C902? Note that it was shot handheld on a cloudy day so noise would definitely have been a big issue
Edit:
Here's a comparison of CMOS vs CCD:
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Checked this forum after a long time and, wow, that fight would always go on.
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