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Sony Ericsson 8.1MP C905 Discussion (Shiho) |
max_wedge
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the only real disadvantage of the c905 is that it's not a smartphone. But SE do so well with A200 that it compares better against s60 than s40 does against A200.
With multitasking of java apps and multimedia and messaging and an extremely efficient UI with many features usually only found on smartphones, A200 leaves it's competition, s40, for dead.
The only real advantage of s60 is that it has a better application platform, but if you only use a few basic apps, such as IM, Opera Mini, music players and file managers, then JAVA is more than adequate.
SO imho I question whether the C905 is really as uncompetitive against the i850 and others like it as people claim.
My guess is that a lot of people have never really used A200 to it's full extent, because they still perceive it as having the limitations of A100. My advice, is push it a bit harder. For example don't assume that like on A100, if you open a java app that the message you are writing will close (it will still be waiting for you to select it from the activity menu when you are ready to continue writing your message). Or another example, don't make the mistake of closing java apps when you need to do something else - hit the activity menu instead and select another task from your shortcut list. Your java app will be waiting on the activity menu until you need it again.
If A200 user's take time to get to know the flexibility of the platform they will be pleasantly surprised and won't be so sure anymore that s60 is that much better.
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But, doesn't the web browser still exit if you do anything else? That's been an annoying 'feature' for ages!
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Thats why alot of people use opera mini
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C905
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@Max
I couldn't agree more 
Remember that i850 also costs 100 dollars more than C905, and the advantages are:
A bigger screen
Symbian
8/16 GB built-in + microSD
VGA recording
On the other hand, the advantages with C905 are:
Better materials + design
Xenon flash
And come on: C905 is only slightly thicker than i850, whereas the the latter a lot wider. I'm not saying i850 is a bad phone by no means. To be honest it is the best offering on the market as of yet
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On 2008-10-12 02:13:25, marty mcfly wrote:
That's great but I was talking about my taste and not yours.
As for specs just read some reviews about the Video Capture Quality, DivX support etc.
SE phones natively support divx if it is up to 320x240 and encapsulated in mp4.
Smartphone are better for video playback, it's true, but in a feature phone it's accepted that you have to recode videos to suit the device. If you do recode, then you can get quality that looks superb on the small display of a phone. Higher bitrates and resolutions are pointless.
Also why have a 1GB file taking up space on your memory card when you could have a 200MB instead? It will look just as good on the phone display.
Video capture quality is fine, it's the resolution that is low compared to s60 high end phones. (qvga compared to vga). Just having VGA resolution is no guarantee of quality. Many people oohed and ahhed about the N95 VGA video capture, yet when you actually analyse the video closely it has pretty crappy encoding of movement and detail. A still or very slow low detail scene records brilliantly, but anything else is fairly mundane. Colour reproduction is also fairly normal.
People have to stop looking at spec sheets when making judgements about quality. Spec sheets never tell the whole story.
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max_wedge
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On 2008-10-12 02:38:18, yea g wrote:
Thats why alot of people use opera mini
exactly, and opera mini offers almost identical functionality to s60 native browser. (no flash support - but it's just a matter of time)
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marty mcfly
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On 2008-10-12 02:41:28, max_wedge wrote:
People have to stop looking at spec sheets when making judgements about quality. Spec sheets never tell the whole story.
Excuse me but that is a real insult to my intelligence!
I am more than capable of understanding the difference between spec and real life performance, and I don't judge things based on a white paper.
Anyone who looks at a good VGA recording will prefer it to a good QVGA simply because it's bigger and more pleasant to watch.
Only tech heads care about encoding and it's resulted performance to the last detail. The rest of the world just want a bigger picture!
And why should the average user care if an  phone can support files after conversion? The whole purpose of having a bigger memory and multiple format support is so you don't have to mess around converting everything.
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On 2008-10-12 03:12:52, marty mcfly wrote:
On 2008-10-12 02:41:28, max_wedge wrote:
People have to stop looking at spec sheets when making judgements about quality. Spec sheets never tell the whole story.
Excuse me but that is a real insult to my intelligence!
I am more than capable of understanding the difference between spec and real life performance, and I don't judge things based on a white paper.
Anyone who looks at a good VGA recording will prefer it to a good QVGA simply because it's bigger and more pleasant to watch.
Only tech heads care about encoding and it's resulted performance to the last detail. The rest of the world just want a bigger picture!
And why should the average user care if an phone can support files after conversion? The whole purpose of having a bigger memory and multiple format support is so you don't have to mess around converting everything.
I wasn't insulting YOUR intelligence or anyone's for that matter. I was referring to the many people who equate resolution with quality and I'm sorry but my opinion, that I am entitled to, and is supported by facts, is that quality goes well beyond SIZE. I'm sorry if I inferred that you were one of these people, that was not my intention. I was just venting because I have seen quite few people in this and similiar threads getting orgasmic about VGA video without any regard to it's quality.
Maybe they want a bigger picture at the expense of quality, personally I would like BOTH size and quality and I haven't seen both in any phone on the market. To me the N95 vga video is no more usable than the W910 qvga because it is still crappy and still nowhere near even a cheap handycam. This is all I'm talking about. It may be bigger but if the quality is still poor then there is no more incentive to use the video than on a qvga device.
Anyway you said Anyone who looks at a good VGA recording will prefer it to a good QVGA simply because it's bigger and more pleasant to watch
Man I freakin` agree with you!! The key word in your statement is "good" which N95 vga is NOT. Yes it's good compared to 3gp quality but for MP4 it's pretty lacklustre.
btw, I wasn't trying to dump on anyone else's preferences, I was just stating why I personally don't have an issue with the video shortfalls of the C905. Am I not entitled to have an opinion?
Regarding encoding, I actually do agree with you, but for a feature phone C905 is extremely advanced (compared to other non-smartphones), and encoding is just one of those facts of life for a feature phone.
If you want a smartphone I don't have a problem with that, but why not X1 or some other WM phone or even a Nokia or Samsung s60? I'm not stopping you, I'm just saying that the expectation (and price) for a smartphone is greater than that of a feature phone. But if one is prepared to encode video FOR the device, then the onscreen performance is awesome and nothing to be complained about. So for a cheaper simpler device (with less frequent crashing), the C905 has certain advantages, but also disadvantages.
PS you don't have to be a tech head to see the poor detail resolution on N95 VGA video 
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hahaha this isn't an english class its a forum 
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On 2008-10-12 03:32:11, max_wedge wrote:
Man I freakin` agree with you!! The key word in your statement is "good" which N95 vga is NOT. Yes it's good compared to 3gp quality but for MP4 it's pretty lacklustre.
What about the N95? I'm comparing between C905, the i8510, Renoir and Pixon. The Samsungs and LG have excellent VGA and WVGA (D1?) quality.
So for a cheaper simpler device (with less frequent crashing), the C905 has certain advantages, but also disadvantages.
But in the UK, all these devices will be on contract at very similar prices, hence, my indecision.
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gtr83
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I guess that is why Asia Pacific is such an important market to mobile phone brands since most APAC countries don't have carrier-defined prices on mobiles...
@max_wedge
C905 is not a mediaphone and we can bear with it, right? does not have a specific all-rounder because they know it would be too expensive for them to develop one right now. But if the 12.1MP Kokura rumour is true then it could be 's attempt at Media King, although it may not come until next year, or not come at all. Personally I think of C905 as a camphone with nice extras and nothing else, which is exactly why I (we) like it. |
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well maybe the c905 has something else over the INNOV8.
Remember the disscussion about average people thinking more Mega pixels count? Well the C905 is advertised as 8.1 megapixel and AFAIK the innov8 is advertised as 8megapixel.
Customer:
Im looking for a phone with a really good camera
Salesman:
Ok these two phones have the best cameras in the store (holds up C905 and INNOV8
Customer:
which one has the best camera?
Salesman:
Well I think they have the same
Customer:
This one says 8 megapixel and this one says 8.1 megapixel. So I think the sony ericsson is better.
Salesman:
ok then that will be 399 pounds!
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gtr83
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That pretty much sums it up lol. Also the marketing tagline is clever enough to drive that point into the customer's consideration ("Take your best shot.") |
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Don't forget samsung has one of those too:
"Buy our phone! theres a chance it won't break!"
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gtr83
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Yeah and it all also depends on the salesman's skill in deception |
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