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Astral1
Joined: Jul 04, 2004
Posts: 133
From: U.K.
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I'm sorry, Dogmann, but i have this mental picture of you in my head.
I see a scrooge like figure, hunched over a keyboard in a darkened room, lit by a single candle. Dusty spiderwebs enhance the corners of shelves, and flickering shadows cast upon dingy walls.
I can imagine a fairly unhappy childhood. Shortage of toys, perhaps?
You nevr come across as a happy person in your posts.
You have an anger that appears solidly aimed at SE, and its hopefull followers.
I imagine there are other fora where you do similar things.
It's just my imagination, so dont take it personally. I'm just a sad old git, who happens to still have hope for SE, and enjoy gadgets in general.
Feel free to respond as you will. Its only words.
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djin
Joined: Jun 13, 2007
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2Astral1,
Thats rude. However, i dont see anything wrong in what Dogman writes. He hasnt accused anyone of anything, neither has he claimed for something, which he hasnt tried(well so far i have seen in his posts).
He's being logical(negativity should be considered as well) and ofcourse every OS must have bugs, its not possible for any software to not have any bugs.
Ofcourse, sometimes Dogman is wrong as well, but its not like he offended people first.
Btw, a forum must have positivity and negativity, and thats why you have a discussion. But, like all discussions, its not necessary to consider everything. What you like most, go for it, and it will be best for you.
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Dogmann
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
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From: London England
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@Astar1
Well sorry to disturb your wonderfully well thought out picture but i was spoilt as a child and am happy to say wanted for nothing.
But since 15 when i first started working i have bought and paid for all my own toys, clothes cars, alcohol or anything else i wanted to indulge myself in.
At 48 i am wracked with pain due to a serious back condition and on strong opiate med's so maybe not as cheerful as i could be. But I'm a realist not a fantasist i have supported bought and owned more Ericsson and SE devices up until 2006 than most here. I spent lots of my own money exhibiting at the Mobile Phone Show and at two Mobile Data shows and was a full member of the Mobile Data Association all whilst promoting Ericsson data solutions no other company's products where good enough IMO.
So if i seem a little disappointed in what a company i once had so much faith in has become and how they dared see fit to treat their loyal users well you could be right. But unlike the fantasists the things i saw going wrong and not being addressed have now caused SE a lot of trouble.
So rather than congratulating SE on a dropping market share and profits and continuing to deliver buggy unfinished phones. I choose to call SE to task for their failings in the weird concept they might actually improve well we can but hope. Because if they don't and soon they just won't be a major player any longer and wishful thinking and a handful of SE fans won't save them either and those are the simple facts of reality.
Marc
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Nitro Fan
Joined: Jun 11, 2003
Posts: > 500
From: London
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On 2008-08-25 20:10:36, Dogmann wrote:
@Astar1
Well sorry to disturb your wonderfully well thought out picture but i was spoilt as a child and am happy to say wanted for nothing.
But since 15 when i first started working i have bought and paid for all my own toys, clothes cars, alcohol or anything else i wanted to indulge myself in.
At 48 i am wracked with pain due to a serious back condition and on strong opiate med's so maybe not as cheerful as i could be. But I'm a realist not a fantasist i have supported bought and owned more Ericsson and SE devices up until 2006 than most here. I spent lots of my own money exhibiting at the Mobile Phone Show and at two Mobile Data shows and was a full member of the Mobile Data Association all whilst promoting Ericsson data solutions no other company's products where good enough IMO.
So if i seem a little disappointed in what a company i once had so much faith in has become and how they dared see fit to treat their loyal users well you could be right. But unlike the fantasists the things i saw going wrong and not being addressed have now caused SE a lot of trouble.
So rather than congratulating SE on a dropping market share and profits and continuing to deliver buggy unfinished phones. I choose to call SE to task for their failings in the weird concept they might actually improve well we can but hope. Because if they don't and soon they just won't be a major player any longer and wishful thinking and a handful of SE fans won't save them either and those are the simple facts of reality.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-08-25 19:11 ]
Hi Marc
My other / better! half has a severe back / neck condition that requires her to be on opiates 24/7 (and bless her she never complains) so I sympathise totally a bad back is NOT at all funny.
Regards you views on  and their attitude to customers and failing to help themselves by ensuring they release good, well built products (that out shine their competitors offerings as they once did) within realistic time frames I agree with you 100%.
There is a real chance the X1 will be "old news" by the time it even get on the shelves of the "phone junkies" suppliers let alone the network operators. Sony Ericsson are quite simply in a hole of their own making, with the likes of Samsung and LG releasing really nice well built units on a regular basis, plus Nokia have some nice trick stuff in the pipeline (I am reliably informed) As for what happened to the P series! I really think we may have seen the last of them for quite a while.
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pinguino1
Joined: Aug 20, 2008
Posts: 174
From: New York, USA
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On 2008-08-25 20:10:36, Dogmann wrote:
@Astral1
Well sorry to disturb your wonderfully well thought out picture but i was spoilt as a child and am happy to say wanted for nothing.
But since 15 when i first started working i have bought and paid for all my own toys, clothes cars, alcohol or anything else i wanted to indulge myself in.
At 48 i am wracked with pain due to a serious back condition and on strong opiate med's so maybe not as cheerful as i could be. But I'm a realist not a fantasist i have supported bought and owned more Ericsson and SE devices up until 2006 than most here. I spent lots of my own money exhibiting at the Mobile Phone Show and at two Mobile Data shows and was a full member of the Mobile Data Association all whilst promoting Ericsson data solutions no other company's products where good enough IMO.
So if i seem a little disappointed in what a company i once had so much faith in has become and how they dared see fit to treat their loyal users well you could be right. But unlike the fantasists the things i saw going wrong and not being addressed have now caused SE a lot of trouble.
So rather than congratulating SE on a dropping market share and profits and continuing to deliver buggy unfinished phones. I choose to call SE to task for their failings in the weird concept they might actually improve well we can but hope. Because if they don't and soon they just won't be a major player any longer and wishful thinking and a handful of SE fans won't save them either and those are the simple facts of reality.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-08-25 19:11 ]
I follow your posts with interest. A lot of times I don't agree with what you say. But having said that, I must add that you gained my full respect for the sincere and high level answer to Astral1.
I haven't seen an apology from Astral1.
[ This Message was edited by: pinguino2 on 2008-08-25 21:25 ] |
paternoster
Joined: Dec 03, 2005
Posts: 87
From: Belgium
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It's been ages since I've posted here. Since my W800i died (those were the days ...), I had a Z530 (crap) and I'm now using a Chinese IPhone clone (even more crap).
My next phone will be a WM touchscreen phone. The rivals are the HTC diamond, the Samsung Omnia and the SE XPERIA X1.
I think pricing will be very important for the X1. If SE can sell it 75 - 100€ cheaper than te Diamond or the Omnia it will be a succes.
SE claims the X1 is aimed at the home market, not the business market. for the home market, pricing is even more important.
Can anyone convince me to buy the X1 over the Omnia or Diamond?
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alexho
Joined: Dec 17, 2004
Posts: 453
From: Bristol
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On 2008-08-25 23:26:20, paternoster wrote:
It's been ages since I've posted here. Since my W800i died (those were the days ...), I had a Z530 (crap) and I'm now using a Chinese IPhone clone (even more crap).
My next phone will be a WM touchscreen phone. The rivals are the HTC diamond, the Samsung Omnia and the SE XPERIA X1.
I think pricing will be very important for the X1. If SE can sell it 75 - 100€ cheaper than te Diamond or the Omnia it will be a succes.
SE claims the X1 is aimed at the home market, not the business market. for the home market, pricing is even more important.
Can anyone convince me to buy the X1 over the Omnia or Diamond?
If u need keyboard input then X1 of course is better than the other 2. The keyboard does make the X1 bulky then the other 2 phones as well. I am using a Omnia 8GB version at the moment and I am very happy with that. I used a o2 XDA Orbit 2 before switching over. |
alexho
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http://smape.com/en/reviews//Sony_Ericsson_XPERIA_X1-prev.html#1
Reviews of the X1
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tregba
Joined: Apr 12, 2005
Posts: 32
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I was all set on buying the X1 when I first saw the press release. Was extremely impressed with almost everything about it. Since then, I can't help but feel the Touch Pro is the better option. It has a much better keyboard, a less problematic yet still useful resolution, is cheaper and unlike the X1 has actually been released!
This coupled with the fact that the Touch Pro will have a lot more frequent updates from HTC than the X1 will to fix bugs/enhance performance.
The X1 does have its merits but with its first foray into the already muddy waters of WinMo, I'm not convinced it has what it takes to deliver something that works! |
_vAmpiRe_
Joined: Feb 04, 2008
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From: Norway
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On 2008-08-26 00:25:35, tregba wrote:
This coupled with the fact that the Touch Pro will have a lot more frequent updates from HTC than the X1 will to fix bugs/enhance performance.
I'll doubt that  For a while I felt I was updating my p990i more frequently than my pc's Antivirus-programs  |
max_wedge
Joined: Aug 29, 2004
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From: Australia
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P990 is a pure SE concoction - X1 is at it's core an HTC device - HTC handsets are usually quite stable, certainly not the problems that P990 had.
I would expect the X1 to be a lot less bug prone than the P990.
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WhyBe
Joined: Apr 02, 2008
Posts: > 500
From: Ohio, USA
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Hopefully, SE are still including the PlayNow panel with the X1. The PlayNow service is now active.
Here's an intro. |
Astral1
Joined: Jul 04, 2004
Posts: 133
From: U.K.
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@djin and pinguino2,
May i ask what it is you would like an apology for, please?
I started my post with "Sorry Dogmann",
and ended it with
"It's just my imagination, so dont take it personally",
and
"Feel free to respond as you will. Its only words".
I am not on Esato all that often, and post very infrequently, so i was not around when Dogmann responded.
I do not, and will not take back what i wrote, and if Dogmann himself is offended, then i would like him to take it up with me personally.
I understand there are people here who do not read and write English as a native language, so i dont expect everyone to understand fully what is always posted.
I suggest the subject is dealt with by Dogmann and myself by PM, if he wishes, and the thread can get on with the X1.
Sorry to all for the off topic time wasted.
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Dogmann
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@Astral1
I have no problem it was your opinion of how you viewed me i have now told you how it is if you wish to believe that or not is up to you. No offense was taking and i hope none was meant.
Marc
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max_wedge
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I think by the time X1 is out, SE will have to release some info about it's predecessor SE X2 (I want sex too)? 
But bad jokes aside, I heard that xperia will be a whole line of mobiles, so we could expect an A200 (or maybe A300) xperia as well, but possibly never a UIQ xperia (atleast not without UIQ support for HSDPA surely)
thoughts?
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