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Patrick-in-CA
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On 2004-07-25 03:20:38, Sammy_boy wrote:
@patrick - wow, you've been busy typing!  Good point about the Linda Rondstadt thing, although it does still seem like a bit of an overreaction by the management.
There's a lot of debate in the UK about joining the EU fully - and I very much doubt there will ever be a federal Europe - if there is, I'm not sure the British people want to be part of it. And me? Not sure. Juries' still out on Europe. And as much as many people would like Britain's empire days back, it won't happen, the world's changed too much. That kind of imperialism is obselete now, times they have changed. I was only joking with the 'empire' comment. Anyways, we're going off topic a bit here!
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The simple fact that I'm here posting on a Saturday night just goes to show how much of a life I don't have!  "Knackered" - it's a new one to me. Go get some rest - and I look forward to your expanded thoughts when you have the time to share.
As far as the Linda story, there's an update:
Ronstadt To Return to Las Vegas
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| Linda Ronstadt is set for a speedy return to the casino she was reportedly ejected from last weekend - for a performance with filmmaker Michael Moore. Ronstadt's run of shows at Las Vegas, Nevada's Aladdin complex was brought to a halt on Saturday after she dedicated a song to Moore, the controversial director of Fahrenheit 9/11 - upsetting fans who disagreed with the filmmaker's movie attack on American President George W Bush. Many fans walked out of the show and some ripped down posters in protest. Ronstadt was later escorted from the premises. But, thanks to negotiations between the Recording Artists Coalition and the prospective new owners of the Aladdin Theater, Ronstadt is slated to return to the venue later this year. And she'll be taking Moore with her. In a letter to the Aladdin management, Moore stated his disappointment in the decision to axe Ronstadt's shows and offered to duet with her on "America The Beautiful" if the singer was invited back. He plans to make good on his promise. Planet Hollywood boss Robert Earl, the prospective new owner of the venue, says, "We hope to be approved by the Nevada Gaming Commission to become the new owners of the Aladdin Resort in Las Vegas as early as September 1, 2004. Upon the assumption of ownership, and with a new management team in place, we would like to offer the use of the Theatre of Performing Arts to Linda Ronstadt for a second concert and further to take Michael Moore up on his offer to join her on stage to introduce her and sing a song." |
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Do I agree with her going back to the Aladdin? No - but hey, it's up to the management of the Aladdin, isn't it? At least in the future the people attending her show will have a hint of what the show might include and those that seek not to be hit up with politics can go elsewhere with their entertainment dollar. I'm sure her show will still be a big hit on the Vegas strip.
And as far as the EU goes - I bet it is an exciting debate. I'd love to be a part of it. I wonder what it would be like if the individual states had to decide to join the union under the US Constitution all over again. It would be a bit scary even, I'm sure. The one thing the states had in common though was strong cultural similarities. Individual European nations have such cultural differences. It's definitely going to be interesting to see how they may come together to form a stronger whole. I happen to think the bi-polar global political scenario with the EU being the other "pole" would be very good for the world indeed. It's absolutely fascinating. But I'm a political junkie!
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I'm glad there's some common sense returning with that update on the Linda Rondstadt story! Despite what I said, I'd rather politics stayed out of music anyway - no matter what side of the fence they're on. I find it tedious when 'celebrities' start banging on about their latest religion/fad/political beliefs/etc, especially when they get changed more often than their underwear.
With regards to the EU, there's some debate on it here in the EU forum in the regional: Europe, Asia,etc. threads. One problem that a lot of people have in the UK is that we have an economy that has more similarities to the US than mainland Europe, countries in which have more socialist governments, which would dominate the EU, and the eurosceptics argue this will be bad for Britain as things like interest rates would be pegged at the same rate by Brussels. So, if Germany's economy is struggling but the UK's isn't for example, they could alter interest rates to favour Germany, but could have negative ramifications for Britain.
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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Patrick can you please not post any John Kerry pics in this thread!..This is G.W.BUSH thread and only pics or articles about him can be posted here.If you wish you can always start your own John kerry thread.
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@Patrick- Can't you find any better pictures? Attacking Kerry as a person is funny, but those cartoons don't say a word about his policies. It's called the ad hominem fallacy--how exactly does attacking the person make George W a better candidate or because John Kerry is being cautious, it somehow make Republican policies so much better?
Now, to defend Kerry, I'd much rather support the "special interest groups" that support gay's and lesbian's rights, or the NAACP rather than the corporate special interest groups that are asking the government to open up a wildlife refuge so they do some oil drilling. I'd much rather see 40 thousand dollars go to underpriviledged children than for a toilet seat in Iraq. (Thanks for wasting my money, halliburton!)
Moving to the next picture: is it better to be indecisive? Politics, no matter what anyone would want you to believe, isnt all about black and white. There isn't a right and a wrong for everyhting, and it takes an intelligent person to recognize that. Its the stupid guy who's so sure of himself and all of his ideas; intelligent people are constantly questioning themselves and their ideas. So, wouldn't indecisiveness be a mark of intelligence and therefore a quality? Sure, we've got a decisive President, and a leader needs to be able to come to a decision, but i'd rather my President come to an intelligent decision.
blah blah and im tired of this political rhetoric.
Try again, better luck next time.
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On 2004-07-26 05:11:01, axxxr wrote:
Patrick can you please not post any John Kerry pics in this thread!..This is G.W.BUSH thread and only pics or articles about him can be posted here.If you wish you can always start your own John kerry thread.
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As you've made this thread about the re-election of G.W. Bush I don't see how posting Political satire about his election day rival is anywhere more off topic than this thread had been way before I even signed on as a member of this forum. So, you're request to have me not post pictures of John Kerry after you've posted pictures of G.W.Bush is respectfully denied.
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| As you've made this thread about the re-election of G.W. Bush I don't see how posting Political satire about his election day rival is anywhere more off topic than this thread had been way before I even signed on as a member of this forum. So, you're request to have me not post pictures of John Kerry after you've posted pictures of G.W.Bush is respectfully denied.
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This thread is about G.Bush and him alone even though our wish and goal is to him have him lose the coming the election..the intention of this thread is not to invlove john kerry in this particular discussion.I was'nt expecting you to respect my wishes anyway.
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On 2004-07-26 07:38:00, KiMcHeEbOi wrote:
@Patrick- Can't you find any better pictures? Attacking Kerry as a person is funny, but those cartoons don't say a word about his policies. It's called the ad hominem fallacy--how exactly does attacking the person make George W a better candidate or because John Kerry is being cautious, it somehow make Republican policies so much better? |
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You mean like this ad hominem ???
Let's be real here ... the VAST MAJORITY of this thread is ad hominem. Why don't you point that out to those that use this popular fallacy against Bush? I'd love to have an intelligent conversation instead of this ... but I'll fight fire with fire too.
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Well, you are entitled to your opinion - and I respect that. By the way ... can you link me to where I can read about a toilet seat that was purchased by the US from Halliburton for use in Iraq for $40,000??? Or any toilet seat, for any use, bought by anyone from anyone that had even a gross cost (shipping - tax - etc...) that comes even close to $40k? Just keeping you honest here.
And - just how does the price of a toilet seat go to prove what kind of president Bush is as compared to anyone else like Kerry? Would that be a "Red Herring" fallacy? Please correct me if I'm wrong.Quote:
| Moving to the next picture: is it better to be indecisive? Politics, no matter what anyone would want you to believe, isnt all about black and white. There isn't a right and a wrong for everyhting, and it takes an intelligent person to recognize that. Its the stupid guy who's so sure of himself and all of his ideas; intelligent people are constantly questioning themselves and their ideas. So, wouldn't indecisiveness be a mark of intelligence and therefore a quality? Sure, we've got a decisive President, and a leader needs to be able to come to a decision, but i'd rather my President come to an intelligent decision. |
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That is one of the best analysis I've read so far. You've got a great opinion and some very good reasons to back it up. I happen to disagree. Although I agree that nothing is simply "black or white" - this doesn't mean that we shouldn't take a stand somewhere. However, just because someone doesn't constantly change their opinion doesn't mean they aren't constantly questioning their ideas and conclusions.
I mean - I wouldn't expect that you were any less intelligent just because you didn't change your mind constantly on ... let's say for example ... this topic? You may take in arguments and question your conclusions internally - but that is a world apart from changing your mind all the time - yes? So, maybe we can conclude that it is a false idea that only intelligent people change their minds frequently and that people who stick by their conclusions, even stubbornly, are not necessarily stupid (as you've implied).
Consistency is important to me. Knowing what a candidates core values are is important to me. Once elected he/she will have a lot of independence to exercise their will. It is a question of character in my mind. To you it's a question of intelligence. Okay - I'll go with that. And thank you very much for acknowledging that we have a decisive president. Indeed we do!
Might I get you to go a little further to say that when he even looks at another country ... like Iran for example ... they start to become concerned? If so, I'd be happy to debate if that is a good or bad thing with you too.
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On 2004-07-26 09:39:28, axxxr wrote:
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On 2004-07-26 09:20:41, Patrick-in-CA wrote:
I don't see how showing the other side of the coin regarding G.W.Bush and the current election - Which is what you've mentioned several times by talking about how you wish Bush to be removed from office - is off topic.
So - unless it is made clear to me how this isn't germane to the topic - which as I see it and as you've made it by talking about how he should not be reelected - your request to have me not post John Kerry political pictures after you post Bush political pictures is respectfully denied.
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Discussing having bush being removed from office is a bush related discussion so i dont know how your saying that it doesnt stick to the topic?..I was'nt expecting republicans to be cooperative and helpfull!..you ppl just love bringing anorchy and disruption to everything.
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Cooperative and helpful? Were you cooperative and helpful to me? I didn't know we needed to be "cooperative" or "helpful". I was thinking respectful and mature. I think I've been both of those. I am also highly logical and reasoned. I'm even willing to take other's ideas and opinions into consideration. This doesn't mean that I'm going to change my mind. And even a simple quick glance at the first page of this thread is all the evidence that any reasonable person needs to see that this thread became about removing president G. W. Bush from office - an event that happens as a result of an election. And G.W. Bush has an opponent in this upcoming election (or did you not time your posts to coincide with the upcoming election?). His opponent's name is John F. Kerry. So - it is totally reasonable and logical that when you started talking about the removal of G.W. Bush from office so close to an election you were indeed talking about having him voted out. You've said it many times. So the logical counterpoint to your argument is his opponent.
And about "respect"??? How respectfull it is to call someone childish names when they ask for debate? Does "Stupid" ... or "ignorant" ... or "idiots" sound familiar? That is what you called each and every Republican once I mentioned I was one. Is that respectful? So, respectfully, I must once again deny your request that to keep Kerry out of this thread.
And as for anarchy and disruption? Not that I admit bringing any such things to this thread ... So what if I did? How can me posting my thoughts on the removal of Bush from office be so disrupting? And Anarchy? Only when anarchy is defined as you not having control will I accept that anarchy exists here. Otherwise you're just completely wrong.
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Oh did i forget to mention that i don't debate with Racists...so if you don't mind i'd rather not get invloved with any kind of discussion with you. Goodbye!!
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On 2004-07-26 09:34:18, axxxr wrote:
This thread is about G.Bush and him alone even though our wish and goal is to him have him lose the coming the election..the intention of this thread is not to invlove john kerry in this particular discussion.I was'nt expecting you to respect my wishes anyway. |
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If I made a wish - would you respect it?
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No coz i don't talk to RACISTS!!
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On 2004-07-26 10:34:03, axxxr wrote:
No coz i don't talk to RACISTS!!
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Well I would if I felt it would do any good. But I guess you just don't care enough about it to try to make a difference. And thank you for pointing out that I'm not a racist by talking to me.
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"The Bush family fortune came from the Third Reich."
"George W's grandfather Prescott Bush was among the chief American fundraisers for the Nazi Party in the 1930s and '40s. In return he was handsomely rewarded with plenty of financial opportunities from the Nazis helping to create the fortune and legacy that his son George inherited."
Bush family, along with the Harrimans, Rockefellers, Nazis, neo-Nazis and leaders of the oil and pharmaceutical industries, has been instrumental in a plot to commit genetic genocide against "inferior races".
There are the evidence that AIDS was one of racial programs began in the 1920s with the founding of the Averill Harriman - Prescott Bush funded Eugenics Research Office. Accused accomplices include Planned Parenthood, the Nazi German government, and in post-war America, neo-Nazi led research under the auspices of the CIA, National Science Foundation, and Center for Disease Control.
http://www.thethresher.com/indiscreet.html
Race Hygiene: Three Bush Family Alliances
George Bush came to share the outlook of Adolf Hitler.
http://www.tarpley.net/bush3.htm
Bush and WWII
President Bush's family had already played a central role in financing and arming Adolf Hitler for his takeover of Germany; in financing and managing the buildup of Nazi war industries for the conquest of Europe and war against the U.S.A.; and in the development of Nazi genocide theories and racial propaganda, with their well-known results.
http://www.gatt.org/bushhitler.html
The Hitler Project and Bush
In many ways, Bush's Hamburg-America Line was the pivot for the entire Hitler project. G.W.'s grandfather and great-grandfather, Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker, were among the chief American fundraisers for Germany's Nazi Party. Through industrialist Fritz Thyssen, the Bush-run Union Banking Company and W. A. Harriman & Company, the Bushes sold over $50 million in German bonds to American investors, starting in 1924. Thyssen in turn pumped money into the infant Nazi Party, which had proved its desire to rule and its willingness to use brute force in 1923's Munich Beer Hall Putsch.
http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm
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