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so who is religous here? |
PeterKay
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Chapter 40 Verses 67/68, Beautiful words from the Holy Quran state:
"It is He Who has created you from dust then from a sperm-drop, then from a leech-like clot; then does he get you out (into the light) as a child: then lets you (grow and) reach your age of full strength; then lets you become old,- though of you there are some who die before;- and lets you reach a Term appointed; in order that ye may learn wisdom.
It is He Who gives Life and Death; and when He decides upon an affair, He says to it, "Be", and it is"
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whizkidd
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Good-evening peterkay and all the others! This has become a model thread. This is how religious stuff should be discussed. @peterkay what are shia and sunni muslims? How are they different?
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axxxr
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Now that is a question Whizzkid.
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Evening Whizkidd, How's it going?
The division between Shia and Sunni dates back to the death of the Prophet Muhammad (saw), and the question of who was to take over the leadership of the Muslim nation. Sunni Muslims agree with the position taken by many of the Prophet's companions, that the new leader should be elected from among those capable of the job. This is what was done, and the Prophet Muhammad's close friend and advisor, Abu Bakr, became the first Caliph of the Islamic nation. The word "Sunni" in Arabic comes from a word meaning "one who follows the traditions of the Prophet."
On the other hand, some Muslims share the belief that leadership should have stayed within the Prophet's own family, among those specifically appointed by him, or among Imams appointed by God Himself.
The Shia Muslims believe that following the Prophet Muhammad's (saw) death, leadership should have passed directly to his cousin/son-in-law, Ali. Throughout history, Shia Muslims have not recognized the authority of elected Muslim leaders, choosing instead to follow a line of Imams which they believe have been appointed by the Prophet Muhammad or God Himself. The word "Shia" in Arabic means a group or supportive party of people. The commonly-known term is shortened from the historical "Shia-t-Ali," or "the Party of Ali." They are also known as followers of "Ahl-al-Bayt" or "People of the Household" (of the Prophet).
Either way, Shia or Sunni - we all believe that their is only one God and Prophet Muhammed (saw) is the final messenger. Small differences do occur in all religions but overall Muslims believe in the One God and the last prophet.
Hope it answers the question Whizkidd.
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whizkidd
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Thats interesting. But why the hatred amongst them. I've seen conflicts between shias and sunnis in iraq and pakistan take a violent turn.
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PeterKay
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That's a good question Whizkidd, all i can say to that is - There is no need for voilence but one of the two feels they are correct and vice versa. Islam and the Quran does not promote violence if you read it fully but some people do not want to read the scriptures they just want to follow traditions which does not help.
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Im memon, where do I fit in??? |
PeterKay
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Again i think this is another sector, their will be many sects in Islam but all will believe in one God and the last Prophet. Correct me if i am wrong bruv?
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JK
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What I know bout the shia and the sunnis is that one believes in zikr, which sometimes puts them in a trance, but thats forbidden???
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Actually, the criterion for one to know if he truly relates to that single straight path is the same criterion that determines what makes one a true Muslim, what makes one a real follower of Muhammad (saw). I can say that this can be done through simple analysis. If a teacher instructs his students to do a home work in a certain way, using a certain textbook, what makes one an obedient student is to follow his teacher’s instructions to letter, for that will earn him success in the exam. But if the student deviates, this will certainly create obstacles in his way to success.
So, when Allah Almighty says in the Quran, Chapter 5 Verse 3:
"This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion"
… and orders us in the Qur’an that we should follow the instructions of the Prophet (pbuh), all this means that the basis of guidance for Muslims is to follow those two noble sources, the Qur’an and sunnah, and avoid all that contradicts them.
Some say there are 72 different sects in Islam, which maybe possible but the fact of the matter is they all believe in One God and the Last Prophet (saw).
The Holy Quran states in Chapter 2 Verse 285:
"The Messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers; they all believe in (God) Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers; We make no difference between any of His messengers; and they say: We hear and obey, our Lord! Thy forgiveness (do we crave), and to Thee is the eventual course."
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joebmc
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So what’s the connection between Prophet Muhammad and Allah (God)?
I think I remember hearing that Muhammad was a messenger for Allah, if so isn’t that kind of similar to the relationship between Jesus and God (Allah)? Say if Jesus wasn’t actually God’s son (which I believe he wasn’t, but do believe there was a great guy called Jesus back then).
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PeterKay
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Yep, Muhammed (saw) is the messenger of Almighty God just as Jesus (may peace be upon him) was. We Muslims believe that Muhammed (saw) is the final messenger and that Jesus (may peace be upon him)was not crucified.
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joebmc
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So considering the two holy books are similar in many ways, and even the “characters” do you not think that it’s possible it’s the same book which we get the religions from?
I mean I think that long, long ago there was one script/book that was handed down to generation after generation but somehow was told different, a little added for effect, a little taken away, Chinese whispers through the ages kind of. And split in two, two main religions and that’s were we get Muslims and Christians from.
So were all praying to the same god, so why cant the two get along???
I'm gonna start my own religion called "Cuslims" or "Muristions" 
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whizkidd
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Just out of curiosity. What does (saw) stand for?
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On 2005-07-14 19:07:00, whizkidd wrote:
Just out of curiosity. What does (saw) stand for?
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When ever the Holy Prophet Mohammed's name is mentioned the words (sallalua alaye walleye wassalam) (SAW) which in short means PEACE BE UPON HIM have to be mentioned as a mark of respect.
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Posted: 2005-07-14 16:01
