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aksd
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On 2008-08-22 16:18:09, Boinng wrote:
Can I just say, this is getting tiresome too. You know why I'm posting in this thread? Because it interests me. It interests me because in the past I've liked SE phones, and this is SE's great white hope for the future, it interests me because the X1 is very closely related to the Tytn II I've been using for the last year, and it interests me because nobody quite knows how good or bad this phone is going to be yet. It might be released tomorrow and turn out to be amazing, but of course it might be released in January and turn out to be nothing more than a buggy, poor copy of the Touch Pro. The truth is none of us can be sure, and that makes things interesting.
But am I here because I'm interested in buying this phone? No. Should I be? Double no. This is a discussion forum, and were here to discuss, not prat about like giddy-eyed fanboys in an Iphone queue. You can do that for the rest of us.
And just for the record - the "SEX1" schtick is getting old too. It was mildly amusing back in February or whenever it was this phone was announced, but it's oh-so-tired now...
BRAVO! Clap.......clap  Very well put .
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Humble
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Probably the most valuable bit of information for me if this is true, If WM7 is fully opengl es 2.0 compliant then X1 is out the window, no matter hows sweet it looks,
aksd where did you hear this information have you a link,
I just had this hunch that the Xperia was going to be released late and Also the longevity will be even less than I initially thought, I would even say a ridiclous 2 month life-span (cough splutter maybe less) and still theres no firm absolute release date, This device is heading towards doom, (sorry is going to be doomed)
but if you not bothered about upgraded software and into an average spec phone then this will be brillant for you,
I can see SE very dissapointed, They should learn from there previous mistakes, never show case a device with old technologhy AND DELAY IT!!!!
SE is a joke, actually this is very good news for other manufacturers
lol,
MSM7200=WM7 er .........No...bye bye
oh I forgot to say any one with a MSM7200 variant and planning to get an Xperia you making a grave mistake you pay over a 1000 dollars for something cutting edge......its not simply just wait a couple of month you wont be dissapointed thats a promise!!!!
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max_wedge
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Well ultimately X1 probably won't satisfy the dead zone. But I do think it will be reasonably popular on the outskirts of that market just for it's styling alone. The interface, while fairly gimmicky and not really that innovative, will still appeal to many.
I don't think it will steal the market, but I do think it will have a measurable impact.
I probably won't buy it, though I do like the styling. All things considered, I would probably go the touch pro just for the TV OUT, however if the ergonomics and layout of the X1 feels good when I get a chance to actually sample it, I may choose it over the Touch Pro (price dependent).
Of course if I do get it, I'll probably also get the C905, maintaining my current two handset philosophy for a little longer. The X1 certainly doesn't meet my ultimate all in one, pocketable, handset that I've been dreaming about since I first heard that PocketPC was going to accomodate a mobile phone 
I'm still waiting!
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aksd
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@Humble
I remember reading it on a tech blog, I cant remember which. It was mentioned that its a rumour. I searched on google but to no avail. But for sure WM7 should support OpenGL ES1.0/1.1? minimum although it wont be future proof, maybe support for OpenGL 2.0 as well?. I also heard they maybe phasing out GAPI, thats good imo. If I come across the blog once again I will surely post the link for you. I find it hard to believe though that it will be only OpenGL ES 2.0 compliant. If you look at todays OS's using OpenGL such as the iPhone or Android they're all OpenGL 1.0/1.1. So would'nt the hardware be severly limited if its 2.0? Looking at the MwG phones I have a feeling they're Qualcomm MSM based, anyway we should know for sure by December, latest by CES where MS are offically launching WM7 and HTC is announcing the first Snapdragon phone running WM7 .
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WhyBe
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@aksd & @Boinng & certain others:
Masturbate your egos if you must, but certainly you need to learn common courtesy. The name calling and condescending remarks are totally unnecessary--especially considering that I have only politely asked questions only to be called stupid for asking them. Consider it a compliment that I ask you questions. The fact that you constantly try to define me shows personal insecurity on your part. If someone disagrees or disbelieves what you say, then you have the choice to politely refute their assertion, prove them wrong, or better yet, ignore them. There is no need to insult everyone who challenges your viewpoint. This thread should be: informative, speculative, critical, accurate and enthusiastic about the X1. You're certainly free to express your personal opinions of the X1 here, but all of the anti-X1/pro-BrandX rhetoric, does not seem very constructive to the goal of informing about the X1.
Others posters have already complained about the fighting (which mostly consists of personal attacks). I have tried my best not to attack back (God knows I could ) I am not mad at you, just trying to put things in perspective 
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Peio
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On 2008-08-22 16:50:27, max_wedge wrote:
The X1 certainly doesn't meet my ultimate all in one, pocketable, handset that I've been dreaming about since I first heard that PocketPC was going to accomodate a mobile phone
I'm still waiting!
You do not consider the Diamond? When I look photos comparing Touch pro & Diamond, I don't regret at all to not have hardware keyboard considering how Touch Pro looks like a brick. Unless you need more than 4Gb (and TV-out but http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=412350 ) |
anonymuser
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On 2008-08-22 17:17:38, WhyBe wrote:
This thread should be: informative, speculative, critical, accurate and enthusiastic about the X1.
Wrong. There's no requirement for this thread to be "enthusiastic" about the X1, or critical for that matter. This is not a fan thread, it's a discussion thread, and any enthusiasm or criticism is drawn out from that discussion, not the other way around.
Stop playing the victim, and stop trying to set rules for the rest of us, just take part in the discussion if you want to.
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Humble
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@aksd
Yes I totally agree, Opengl es 2.0/2.1 will do all direct10 and more
"Khronos today also released a number of extensions to OpenGL 2.1 which enables some of the new features in OpenGL 3.0 to be used on older generations of hardware. These extensions include enhanced VBOs, full framebuffer object functionality, half float vertices, compressed textures, vertex array objects and sRGB framebuffers"
quote from article 16891 from linuxelectron.com,
bear in mind that the playstation ps3 xbox360 and pandora(omap 3430)console use opengl es 2.0 opengl 3.0 will be introduced less than a year from now, but dont worry version 2.1 will have emulated calls to these new functions,
sorry if i go deep, thats where the truth lies
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aksd
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@Humble
Not at all, I can follow you a little bit at least. I basically program Java and bash. And following the Kaiser fiasco I have picked up a little on OpenGL and DirectX. So I get the idea. The PS3 is OpenGL 2.0 compliant correct?
The worrysome thing is in reality I wonder if they'll implement it(Kaiser problem again? ).
Humble I have a question, supposing WM7 implements OpenGL 1.0 in the UI, but if OpenGL 2.0 framework is supported by the OS, can applications use OpenGL 2.0 function calls? Therfore you can run OpenGL2.0 compliant applications(using supported hardware of course)
ANother thing, regarding the MSM7200 chipset, according to specs it has 4 mil triangles per sec, none of the MSM7200 series have this kind of results. I wonder if Android is different. Do you think implementing 2D and 3D acceleration on the MSM7200 series chipset is a big problem regarding coptimization for WM? Because Android seems to be working well on the chipset.
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aksd
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Expected October Release of the X1 on Vodafone UK. Earlier than expected. This is a good thing , it increases the life of the phone:
Link: http://www.engadget.com/2008/[....]eo-on-vodafones-site-for-octo/
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NimmyxHuynh
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It bothers me that it's almost the end of August and Sony Ericsson hasn't even announced when or how much the Xperia is going to be. Also, who is going to carry the handset.
Speculations stating that it's going to be a mid september release but why can't they just announce it a month in advance?
So, a week before release? a day before release? I bet some people are thinking the same thing. |
Dogmann
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@WhyBe
You really are seriously deluded it is you that is condescending never supports any of your absurd idea's about how and why the X1 is going to destroy and be better than anything else ever. Even when it's explained why it won't be you still don't accept it and call us X1 or SE haters.
You constantly call people X1 haters and demand proof of what is generally common knowledge and at the same time seems to not have clue what you are talking about most of the time. Which is why so many of us grown ups have got tired of you throwing your little tantrums and insults. Personally I'm convinced your only 12 or 14 tops by the way you act and living in a fantasy world.
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Humble
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Yes the Playstation xbox360 pandora are Open gl es2.0 compliant
the question you raised secondly is somewhat tricky to answer but to cut a long story short the answer is no,
"OpenGL ES 1.1 is derived from desktop OpenGL 1.5 and emphasizes hardware acceleration of the API, but is fully backwards compatible with OpenGL ES 1.0. OpenGL ES 1.1 provides enhanced functionality, improved image quality and optimizations to increase performance while reducing memory bandwidth usage to save power"
from khronos.org
It is because the working off the internal architectures
supporting the inbuilt functionality, Even if the frameworks does exist within WM7, the supported calls in the framework would be limited by the API ie platform otherwise would have to go through software emulation which would defeat the hardware acceleration, Open gl es 2.1 has the evolutionary changes in the hardware to emulate version 3 calls
to solve problem-------->new platform so the API can address these function calls in supported hardware, unsure whether the PowerVR SGX supports 2.1 |
borisisinvin
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On 2008-08-22 11:31:44, aksd wrote:
@pinguino2
Why are you waiting for the X1 then? Buy the Pro, its going to be out on AT&T anytime soon, certian AT&T insiders have mentioned that the X1 might not release on AT&T only T-Mobile but once unlocked you can use it on AT&T.
How do you know that they're releasing the X1 on Tmob in the USA?... I've read on several different sites that it's not coming to Tmob, and after the last white paper release I had lost all hope of it coming to Tmob USA do it's exclusion of the US's AWS bands in the North American version.... Source?.... Thanks!
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Humble
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Now they limiting the colours lol
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