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gbrooks3
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On 2008-08-20 07:58:46, l337h1um wrote:
Hi everyone. I joined this forum just for this topic.
I'm eagerly awaiting the X1 as well. I need it so that I can show it to my friends thereby pointing out the glaring deficiencies of the iPhone. 
But really, I have read every single post on this topic. Roffle, you guys fight too much. I think we all just have to agree that the X1 is a very kick-arse, attractive device.... but also agree that there are other very kick-arse, attractive devices that are just as good, and that different devices suit different people better.
I just want SE to hurry up and release this thing, because it happens to suit my needs very well. And it looks cool. And I need something new to satisfy my expensive and unnecessary gadget craving.....
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max_wedge
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On 2008-08-20 07:58:46, l337h1um wrote:
Hi everyone. I joined this forum just for this topic.
Welcome to Esato
I'm eagerly awaiting the X1 as well. I need it so that I can show it to my friends thereby pointing out the glaring deficiencies of the iPhone.
I sense you will fit in well here 
But really, I have read every single post on this topic. Roffle, you guys fight too much.
We're all good friends here, it's just that we love a good scrap...
I think we all just have to agree that the X1 is a very kick-arse, attractive device.... but also agree that there are other very kick-arse, attractive devices that are just as good, and that different devices suit different people better.
I just want SE to hurry up and release this thing, because it happens to suit my needs very well. And it looks cool. And I need something new to satisfy my expensive and unnecessary gadget craving.....
Amen!
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WhiteEye
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On 2008-08-17 10:49:00, Siluman wrote:
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On 2008-08-17 07:32:43, max_wedge wrote:
However I've never yet found a PDA that truly satisfies my ergonomics requirements of a phone (ie calls and sms) or as a decent camera phone, so therefore I have not yet combined my two needs into one device.
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I thing the upcomin NOKIA TUBE will suite your need
Tube is not a PDA. And it will never be.
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mario2004
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As a wm users for years now (and yes s60 too), I just want to point out/remind to the readers of this tread, the X1 is a WM device.Now,just in case some of you don't know, crashes are expected (normal with windows OS) and the device has a reset button with a reason On top of this (literally) this device has a SE 'improved' interface ! Looking back at SE's track record (P990i,P1 comes to mind) some of you are in for a HUGE surprise Even more so if you have no previous experience with a Windows Mobile OS ! I know I will be burned to dead because of the above opinions, but one thing should raise eyebrows even in the most fanatic fan - why do you think no WM device has ever sold in huge numbers as a cell phone? Xperia YES - as long as you have a 3310 in the other poked
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WhyBe
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@mario2004, good for you. WM crashes all the time so therefore no one buys it. How informative and convincing!
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max_wedge
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On 2008-08-20 23:16:23, mario2004 wrote:
As a wm users for years now (and yes s60 too), I just want to point out/remind to the readers of this tread, the X1 is a WM device.Now,just in case some of you don't know, crashes are expected (normal with windows OS) and the device has a reset button with a reason On top of this (literally) this device has a SE 'improved' interface ! Looking back at SE's track record (P990i,P1 comes to mind) some of you are in for a HUGE surprise Even more so if you have no previous experience with a Windows Mobile OS ! I know I will be burned to dead because of the above opinions, but one thing should raise eyebrows even in the most fanatic fan - why do you think no WM device has ever sold in huge numbers as a cell phone? Xperia YES - as long as you have a 3310 in the other poked
WM is not the crash monkey it used to be. My brother in law's N95 crashes more often than any of my WM devices.
Get with the program buddy
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pinguino1
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I couldn't thank some of you because I was punished for being new member. (limit of 3 posts) Hope today they consider me as a veteran and let post more than 3 (ha,ha)
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@Max_wedge
"I'm sure mib will argue with you on that one.
He's the king of the one handed t-niners, reckons he can t-9 faster than anyone can type on a qwerty.
I don't know if I believe him though. "
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I feel envious of Mib. For me that's painful. Nokia's are good, but that layout is totally annoying because I am always in a hurry (impatient he,he)
I got excited when the Treos came up but when I put my hands (fingers, rather) I thought it was designed for my 5 years old nice's finger. I can say the same for the BB's Keyboard.
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@carkitter:
"Market research I've seen online says that 40% of US iPhone version 1 owners use their iPhone as a laptop replacement, a useage that has always been touted by PDA manufacturers but never delivered on as you and others still carry both. With the 3G version 2 and the new App store, some of those requirements of yours may be catered for.
I take your point regarding the ergonomics of a TS qwerty vs a proper keyboard, I can only say try one out and see...
It would seem like a WM device is best for you though."
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Thanks it seems I going that way. At this point I'm waiting for the Xperia (99% though) to try a real keyboard. I tried the tilt at the store for a few minutes. Not enough to make a good judgement but it felt GOOD. I almost buy it.
I can't agree with that poll. I'm not against the iPhone, I thinks it is a fabulous iPod with phone and great touch screen. So it has its market nich. Good for them and for the people who gets satisfied with it. BUT BUT BUT BUT... I'm not going to elaborate on the BUTS because everybody knows them. So how come they can be a laptop replacement??? it's beyond me.
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@WhyBe:
"@mario2004, good for you. WM crashes all the time so therefore no one buys it. How informative and convincing! "
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You always play my tune. Good answer to Mario2004. We need people here that contribute, we don't have to agree, but they must contribute with substance.
I know WM is not perfect (not even in the desktops HA HA) but it does things that others don't. Tha't good enough for me (for now...)
Thank for the feed back guys. ( 3 post HA!-I just cheated. LOL)
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max_wedge
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@pinguino2, yes I must admit I'm a bit envious of mib's texting ability, but I still reckon the average person is like you and I - ie: finds it easier to type fast on a qwerty.
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mario2004
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On 2008-08-21 00:36:34, WhyBe wrote:
@mario2004, good for you. WM crashes all the time so therefore no one buys it. How informative and convincing!
Thanks
I never said 'it crashes all the time' ! Read again my post (a few times if necessary). Eventually you'll understand it. (Tip: You'll understand it easier if you read it 'as is' without adding or deleting words in your mind). And no, I wont get into a argument about this - I use Windows Mobile for too long to get fooled around by newbies. I expect to be shot down by fans,all I am asking for is - do this after christmas (lets hope the device will be out in numbers before then)
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aksd
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@mario
Believe it or not, in 1 years use my TyTn II may have crashed about once, and thats due to a faulty app, not the phone. Maybe you've been using the wrong WM device
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max_wedge
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Exactly. The only time my WM device crashes is when I'm testing apps. When apps cause instability I remove them and don't use them. No matter how tempting they are, I'm not prepared to have a crashing device just for some small luxury. The beauty of WM is that if an app is crash worthy, there will be another app out there that does the same thing without crashing. So there is no need to put up with such things.
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mib1800
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On 2008-08-21 05:27:25, max_wedge wrote:
@pinguino2, yes I must admit I'm a bit envious of mib's texting ability, but I still reckon the average person is like you and I - ie: finds it easier to type fast on a qwerty.
Pity then you have wasted your precious envy on something I dont possess. I can get by with T9 even at my typing speed with most of the stuff I do on the phone like sms, email, IM or calling. I dont need to write my monthly report or assignment on the phone but who does that on the phone anyway. I think many like me, can easily sacrifice the qwerty keypad for better specs like camera, video capture and lighter weight/smaller size. No wonder the HTC Diamond and the Omnia are selling like hotcakes.
The vanilla WM is very stable. I very seldom have crashes with my Atom Exec.... BUT the caveat is that you dont run any 3rd party apps but that really defeats the purpose of the phone . I find that generally S60 is more stable and robust with 3rd party add-on apps (esp those background/daemon apps) than WM.
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max_wedge
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@mib, so that big debate we had a while ago where you argued against qwerty on the basis you could t9 faster than someone could type on a qwerty was just a story to win the argument then? (got ya)
re: WM, I don't know, I run a fair few apps on my WM. What I don't do is have a lot running in the background. I have useful apps that I start when I need them. On my i780 I have atleast 40 odd apps installed. 256/128mb memory so lot's of space onboard, plus I install most apps on memcard, so I don't have a ram problem.
I run a task manager, and a couple of (stable) today screen apps in the background and don't have any problems.
My experience is that today screen apps or background utilities are the biggest killrs of WM so I avoid all but the most stable.
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Rakdoll
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On 2008-08-20 23:16:23, mario2004 wrote:
As a wm users for years now (and yes s60 too), I just want to point out/remind to the readers of this tread, the X1 is a WM device.Now,just in case some of you don't know, crashes are expected (normal with windows OS) and the device has a reset button with a reason On top of this (literally) this device has a SE 'improved' interface ! Looking back at SE's track record (P990i,P1 comes to mind) some of you are in for a HUGE surprise Even more so if you have no previous experience with a Windows Mobile OS ! I know I will be burned to dead because of the above opinions, but one thing should raise eyebrows even in the most fanatic fan - why do you think no WM device has ever sold in huge numbers as a cell phone? Xperia YES - as long as you have a 3310 in the other poked
Crashes are most likely when not well optimized 3rd party software is installed. It shouldn't be normal. I too have owned 3 windows mobile devices, and with the last 2 of them I never had any common crashing issues. What comes to the panels interface, I believe that's not going to be anything to mention, aren't they just shortcuts ?? I have convinced my self that the Touch Pro's new 3d interface is much better, and much more integrated to the actual system.
The reason why YOU would think that the devices have not been sold in huge numbers, is only that they have been sold for business use, as WM is/was business oriented OS. HTC has sold the devices directly to big companies in large quantities, for employees to use it as a work phone. And also that WM wasnt planned to be a "phone"-OS, so that's the reason why it's evolution has gone this slow - to become a usable phone OS. Another thing is of course that HTC didn't use to have huge enough brand, and now they do, with SE.
IMHO we are facing now the turning point where finally the WM devices are made available to all people. They are nice to use, much more solid than symbian ever was, still having the possibility to be the most flexible os. A lot of software and all kinds of tweaking available. May I ask you, why do you think cellphones in general weren't sold in large numbers before they were ready to face the public and marketed well? (oh it seems I already answered my own question )
ps. and btw, I'm not here to defend X1. SE can go to hell if you ask me. (because the failed to actually sell the device):) I'm, going for the HTC Touch Pro. But what you are saying was about WM in general, so I felt a sting..
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@mib
Maybe you should stick to SYmbian then, I have 53 apps on my phone and no crashes, some apps with memory leaks or improper coding cause crashes. Its upto personal judgement which app you'd like to install and keep on your phone where WM is concerned. If you're judgement is flawed in selecting apps, dont blame the platfrom. Stick to Symbian which will spoon feed you your apps.
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