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Humble
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To aksd When mentioning the camera module I pressume they mean the actual hardware interface cam module that interface to the GPIO lines of the chip.
I agree the GPS on the msm72xxa
must be identical in both devices, I dont see no reason why they would interface an external sirf3 or other nmea module when the actual functionality is integrated into the chipset, I wonder whether the TV out can be enabled since this is the case in the Touch Pro,
This would be an addition to the X1 since it is suppose to be an multimedia device |
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Excellent article. The "dead zone" is exactly why there are no true AIO devices yet. There is simply not enough demand.
Those users like those of us who fit into all three categories invariably find we need 2 or even 3 different devices to meet our needs. I've been arguing this for some time, and people wonder why I still use a PDA phone AND still carry a non-smartphone as my main mobile device, but it is because there are still no devices that can perform the communication, information and entertainment needs in one truly pocketable formfactor.
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WhyBe
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Yeah, we're right in the dead zone of that chart with the X1 and Touch Pro.
Get'em while they last! 
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_vAmpiRe_
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On 2008-08-18 16:32:56, WhyBe wrote:
Yeah, we're right in the dead zone of that chart with the X1 and Touch Pro.
Get'em while they last!
Did you read the comments?
"Tommi Vilkamo said...
Once again, great post!
However, as a Nokia insider I'm not so sure about the "zone of death" on your last chart, and the death-valley-of-mid-range-devices on chart 2.
After all:
- general-purpose S60 models such as 6600, N70, and N73 sell like hot cakes and bring a huge piles of money for Nokia
- industry analysts always urge Nokia to fill any gaps in the mid-range"
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problems is, I don't agree with that comment. N73 does not have touchscreen, does not have qwerty, does not have wifi....
Even N95 does not have qwerty. E series do not have the multimedia of the N95. So, no "general purpose" nokia fills the role the X1 can fill, or currently filled by the touch pro.
Nokia phones are orientated to either communicator or entertainment category but not both and therefore do not fall into the "dead zone". So despite they sell like hotcakes, they do not address the zone of death segment.
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Hi all,
Agreed that is a well thought article with some great points even though it is now nearing a year old. I have always said there is no ultimate convergence device as yet and seriously doubt there ever will be. I have also stated many times that as we are all individuals with different wants and needs just because a device is best for some of us doesn't mean it will be for everyone and also doubt it will ever be that way either.
Also as i have said before IMO there are two distinct types of smart phone users emerging one is the Business user and the other is more focused on Multimedia both sets of users devices contain many of the same features it's just that no one device will do all the best. It is also my belief that the largest growth will come from the Multimedia segment as the Business sector is already quite mature whilst the Multimedia side of things is only now really being able to start delivering a quality user experience and this will continue to improve greatly.
There is always a trade off between one set of features to the other and is an enforced segmentation of the market as it is the manufacturers that make them this way. Why i don't know as it seems so many of us are actually frustrated by these actions but as consumers so far there is little we can do about it. We are forced to find the best compromise of features that suits us best in our devices.
The evolution of high speed mobile data along with reasonable fixed price data plans has most certainly improved the uptake and use of mobile data. Along with the faster processors and improved graphics on our devices and of course continually improving screen technology. This means that now our mobile experience is one of high quality it is no longer painfully slow and in poor quality and the next set of advancements will once again greatly improve what is delivered on our devices and take up a level.
There is plenty of room for a variety of devices either with or without touch screens or full QWERTY and a range of different sizes and styles. I really don't believe their will be one dominant OS or form factor for all. Choice is a good thing so all of us may find the device that suits our individual needs best as is competition that will improve the specs and drive down the prices. It has taken a very long time for Mobile data to get to where it is now but now it is truly able to start delivering on it's promise IMO and exciting times are just around the corner as the tech starts to fully deliver a fast and rich experience to us the user.
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@Max Wedge
Whilst i agree with what you say about the short comings of the E series and the N series, sorry the X1 is not without answer or equal. My now old E90 does everything the X1 does and has better Multimedia to boot the only thing it doesn't have is a Touchscreen but then not everyone wants or needs one despite what you want.
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E90 has better multimedia features??? Thats the best comment i have heard in a long time.ROFL. 
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@se dude
Well it just happens to be true care to tell us why it doesn't?
As it has a larger screen @4" and is 16 million colours also not being a Touch screen it has better visibility in all conditions.
It is powered by the OMAP 2420 processor and the Power VR MBX graphics chip. So will record Video @30fps VGA and supports H.264 and higher bit rates than the X1 can as well.
So come on then why is the X1 better at Multimedia and sorry but wishful thinking doesn't count.
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@Dogmann- I would to refer to stupid mud slinging if i were you.
Let me tell you something.16 million colous in a QVGA(240x320) screen and a 4 inch dispaly.Now we all know that the SE displays scores over the N95 's 2.8 ich QVGA display. THE XPERIA has VGA (640x480) display with yea, 65k colours(winMo doesnt support more.I guess you are not naive enough to underestimate the resolution the phone offers.Anyways
256 mb ram for better task handling
528Mhz Qualcomm 7210 processor.Yea, its much better than your OMAP 2xxx pro.Please check a few review sites before nosing in.
HSDPA @7.2 MHz compared to E90s 3.6 mhz ..not much of a difference
TOUCHSCREEN+QWERTY=KICK IN E90's BUTT
add a 1500 mAh Lithium-Po batt compared to E90's Li-Ion batt.
I wont slang you coz you are a respectable meber here, and however naive or stupid your comments may seem like, I would leave you with these facts and remind you that E90 has long been kicked by the reviewers as a potential competitor to these phones. |
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@se_dude:
correction: X1 has 800x480, not 640x480 display...
@Dogmann:
How do you know that the e90 has support for higher bitrates than the X1? Just curious... |
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oh sorry.I forgot it had WVGA |
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On 2008-08-18 18:36:34, Dogmann wrote:
@Max Wedge
Whilst i agree with what you say about the short comings of the E series and the N series, sorry the X1 is not without answer or equal. My now old E90 does everything the X1 does and has better Multimedia to boot the only thing it doesn't have is a Touchscreen but then not everyone wants or needs one despite what you want.
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But the formfactor of the e90 is cumbersome compared to the touch pro and x1. (btw, I never actually said the x1 had no answer - the touch pro has the same spec + tv out) Perhaps you have a tendency to view me as an unreasonable SE fanboy who always thinks SE is better no matter what - which may explain why you assumed I think the X1 has no answer - but I can assure you I am not an SE fanboy - I am a realist who looks at the facts and fiigures. I like the X1 but I don't see it as the ultimate AIO by any means.
re: touchscreens, they are as important to the classification of AIO as VGA recording, HSDPA or any of those other things that not all people want but nevertheless are necessary for a device that will appeal to anyone in the dead zone market segment. It has to have it all to avoid alientating any possible buyer in that segment.
I don't care about VGA recording in a phone, but I wouldn't class a phone as an AIO without it. Likewise touchscreen. The fact I happen to like touchscreen is neither here nor there.
Nokia aren't yet fielding a device in this "dead zone" arena.
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On 2008-08-18 19:00:37, se_dude wrote:
@Dogmann- I would to refer to stupid mud slinging if i were you.
Let me tell you something.16 million colous in a QVGA(240x320) screen and a 4 inch dispaly.Now we all know that the SE displays scores over the N95 's 2.8 ich QVGA display. THE XPERIA has VGA (640x480) display with yea, 65k colours(winMo doesnt support more.I guess you are not naive enough to underestimate the resolution the phone offers.Anyways
256 mb ram for better task handling
528Mhz Qualcomm 7210 processor.Yea, its much better than your OMAP 2xxx pro.Please check a few review sites before nosing in.
HSDPA @7.2 MHz compared to E90s 3.6 mhz ..not much of a difference
TOUCHSCREEN+QWERTY=KICK IN E90's BUTT
add a 1500 mAh Lithium-Po batt compared to E90's Li-Ion batt.
I wont slang you coz you are a respectable meber here, and however naive or stupid your comments may seem like, I would leave you with these facts and remind you that E90 has long been kicked by the reviewers as a potential competitor to these phones.
Complete gibberish . This HAS to be the best post on this thread.
Firstly I am not a Nokia or E90 fanboy as most who post in this thread know. Now lets get down to the facts shall we  .
Se_Dude,
1. Can I please have the site which mention the Qualcomm MSM7201A is superior to the Texas Instruments OMAP 2420?
2. Can you please tell me if you've ever used an MSM7200 based handset, nope I guess not.
I can hardly contain myself, I just have to burst his little SE bubble .
3. The screen resolution of the E90 is 800 x 352 and of the X1 is WVGA not VGA and thats 800*480. The E90 has a bigger screen lesser ppi, although the 16mil colours makes up for it, the X1 would have a better screen but saying the E90 has a QVGA screen hahahahahahah!
4. My favourite bit ......the processor comparison, please have a look at this link http://www.glbenchmark.com/co[....]HTC%20P3700%20Touch%20Diamond, now does'nt that look like the OMAP2420 trumps Qualcomm solutions in every possible aspect.
5. Any slightly tech oriented person would know clock cycles are'nt everything, read up on it.
6. Out of the 256MB RAM presumably 100MB should be free to the user, out of 288 MB RAM on the pro 126MB is free for the user. I nthe E90 you have something like 90MB free? 10MB more WOW!
7. Again I want your source that claims the MSM7200 line of processors bests the OMAP2420, I'd like to feel all warm and happy since I own a Qualcomm solution and its been a disappointment.
8. Yes the touchscreen makes the X1 a more suitable phone for many as well as the size, this does not change the fact that the E90 has a better processor.
9. The E90 is not compared to the X1 or Pro as it targets a slightly different audience, the X1 and the Pro are more do-it-all devices while the E90 is touted as a buisness device, although it actually surpases the WM solutions in the multimedia aspects, and the WM phones imo surpass the E90 in the buisness aspects of things.
10. Yes the X1 and pro beat the E90 at HSDPA, but we're discussing multimedia features now are we not?
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On 2008-08-18 19:19:14, _vAmpiRe_ wrote:
@se_dude:
correction: X1 has 800x480, not 640x480 display...
@Dogmann:
How do you know that the e90 has support for higher bitrates than the X1? Just curious...
Basically the PowerVR accelerator is better. The Qualcomm QTv solution for video playback is'nt as great as most hoped. This can be seen from the Diamond and Pro. It plays most DVD rips, but sometimes struggles with higher bitrates. Forget using WM player, that wont work, you'll have to use TPCMP or Coreplayer to get decent performance.
@Max
I think you'll see quite a few dead zone device next year, with Qualcomms Snapdragon, Nvidia 2500 and the OMAP3 series of processors, all of them multimedia oriented and any of them on a WM7 phone would put it bang in the middle of the dead zone. Plus we have to see what Android has to offer.
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