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Platia1
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The X2 was rather outdated compared to other top end smartphones such as the Toshiba TG01 and the HTC HD2, both of which came with cutting-edge Snapdragon processor's when the X2 made do with a processor from the X1, released the year before |
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avmaxfan
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On 2010-11-16 10:55:44, Platia1 wrote:
The X2 was rather outdated compared to other top end smartphones such as the Toshiba TG01 and the HTC HD2, both of which came with cutting-edge Snapdragon processor's when the X2 made do with a processor from the X1, released the year before
I mentioned earlier. Do not even imagine comparing X1-X2 story with X10-X10 flagship. Android and the Android phone market is way more mature and way larger than WM6. SE had almost given up on WM6 when the X2 was out. That explains the sub par hardware. And the sales from WM phones was very low and below  expectations.
Whereas with Android its completely different. Android is the reason is back in the game. They simply will not and can not take chances the way they could with WM6
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Lollylost100
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Or they could make high-ends with MSM7230, although it won't be so capable next year  .
There are many people who buy mid-range phones for many reasons. Size, money, battery life. I don't think everyone wants to have a phone with 4"+ screen, a badass processor and battery lasting less than 24h. |
avmaxfan
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On 2010-11-16 11:03:11, Lollylost100 wrote:
@avmaxfan @rss_ndrsn
Or they could make high-ends with MSM7230, although it won't be so capable next year .
There are many people who buy mid-range phones for many reasons. Size, money, battery life. I don't think everyone wants to have a phone with 4"+ screen, a badass processor and battery lasting less than 24h.
Yes but not Android phones. And in any case there are many Android phones meeting those demands and yet Android makers make money from high end phones. That is enough to conclude that Android market is all about the high end. There is no way can change that. And also as rss_ndrsn mentioned in his post, the biggest market for Android is US and I don't think low/mid end Androids will find much takers there. A big reason behind the low success of 2010 Xperia line up in US is the outdated hardware. I don't think anybody here would disagree with me on this. I simply cannot fathom why would proudly make this mistake again of selling phones in US with outdated and sub par specs.
And no point in going for a "almost" high end device when you can get a proper high end phone for a little more. Phones with such sub par hardware do not have a market either. That is also one of the reasons X10 sales have been sliding downwards as its getting outdated hardware wise (same for other outdated high end phones from other manufacturers.)
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Lollylost100
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OK, but the point is SE isn't making a high spec phone. Unless your "source" has different information  .
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synn
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A big reason behind the low success of 2010 Xperia line up in US is the outdated hardware. I don't think anybody here would disagree with me on this.
Wrong.
Even after the late launch, it had (And still has) better hardware than most top selling US Android handsets.
- Older OS
- No appreciable carrier subsidy.
- Relatively low key marketing.
These are some of the reasons why X10 didn't make a blip in the US. I have used almost all high end Android phones and the X10 is still one of the more enjoyable user experiences of them all. The problem with you lot is that you're too effin' obsessed with numbers that you fail to see the bigger picture. A handset can have an i7 Extreme or whatever in it but is still shite if the user experience is shite. See the Galaxy S.
With the "So called failure" that the X10 is to some of you, SE actually managed to get back into the black and earn 17% of the total revenue among all Android handsets sold (And became the third largest Android handset maker) so stop whining because what you're whining about isn't true.
Oh, and Android isn't a high end OS because there are no minimum hardware limitations for it.
Sometimes I wish this forum had a "You must be This |------| smart to enter" board becuase some of you, for the lack of a better term; are just plain dumb.
Now flame on; or whatever. |
rog
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IMHO, there is a mix up of things here: one topic is the strategy that some of you people are talking about. This has NOTHING to do with rumors, which I think is the topic in this thread. So, to all the people here who try to derive (or in avmaxfan's case one could also say 'guess') device specs from what they think SE's strategy SHOULD be, why not open another thread? Because at least to me, that has nothing to do with rumors, and it has nothing to do with reality either.
Like it or not, but what has been written by Eldar is more or less accurate. And if I remember correctly, someone here already hinted on things before eldar came out
@synn: well spoken sir!
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justus333
Joined: Apr 21, 2007
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Then one really must question the remaining intelligence of Sony///?!
And with all caution but I too think that Eldar as of late almost always hit it on the nail regarding Sony///. And having been reading this and another german forum for a while it is very clear that Rog is the only true insider that I know of. He has been right every time! So as much as I wish avmaxfan was right Im afraid it will be as Rog or in this case Eldar too said.
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bambarah
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it seems depending on the "low costs" philosphy
they want to produce low cost phones to have more profits
but I think they are mistaken 
make some low cost phones and one realy high end phone 
Profit isn't with money always , making a reputation is a bigger profit ! |
Lollylost100
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So I guess the phones will be announced on the 13th of February, a day before MWC 2011. Unless there is some event held before that. |
motvikt
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The problem with sony mainly, but also SE is that they identify with apple to much, "we can do that cuz everyone knows we have the best design and the best user experience, and we can charge top dollars for it as well and our fans love us bla bla". They showed that attitude when they released x10 with 1.6 saying but we have timescape.. lol. So now they are about to release Anzo, only a small update over x10. Only ONE company in the world can pull that off and thats apple (not even sure they can now, android made them upgrade quite a lot with iphone4).
So what do we have...
Over x10. Bigger screen, slimmer, multi touch, hdmi, slightly faster processor (doubt many will even notice that, 1gigaherz snapdragon people will read).
Will people upgrade for that? doubt it. They could have upgraded the camera at least but no we are apple we dont need to follow the hardware war in the android world. God damn HTC, moto and samsung are gonna EAT SE up. What the hell were they thinking? The most depressing part is that Bert seems to know all this if you read what he says, but still he does nothing? Hope there is a logical explanation for all this, maybe there is no dualcore processors and the competitors use the same hardware as SE.
Anzo will probably be a great phone but if HTC releases desire 2 with better specs its gonna loose this fight too, at least here in Sweden. |
motvikt
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/[....]ne-with-dual-core-tegra-2-and/
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Phoner
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Btw Eldar said that he is planning to publish Anzu preview tomorrow. |
smclion102
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@motvikt
Agree wit u...
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Told US clearly they want to be no1...
i dont see that happening with all mid range...
There Should Be 1 High End and Many Mid Range.
We dont want all MID range |
Legen
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if lg is doing dual core, everyone else is right? maybe even sonyericsson? |
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