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-XYZ
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On 2018-03-11 07:43:43, blackzeros wrote:
i dont know how much big sony mobile r&d team,but sony mobile makes 7-8 billion dollars revenue in one year, i doubt you can explain shitty camera algorithm with just money spending, i cant explain even why only xa ultra's front camera has ois while others dont have.
Size of the imaging module. Bigger module requires bigger OIS gyros and more space. Sony's flagships to this day, have by far the largest image sensors in phones outside of the 808 pureview. | |
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Moe87
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Many stuff are in-house.. All tech comes from other division
Huge R&D budget does not seem really that necessary.
Samsung and Apple can built a phone that costs $400 because both know they will sell tons of millions.
Even if they charge $780, $850, $900 in places like USA, UK, France, Germany, South Korea...
I believe other like Sony, Htc, Motorola and Asus avoid high cost devices because they know they won't sell that much.
Then they have to sell cheaper to stand chance..
I think if they can price Premium no more than $1000, it can bring a good money in few areas like Japan, Taiwan, Thailand and UK.
Here Sony brought XZ 32GB, XZP and XZ1 for same price.
5% cheaper than Z5 and 20% less than Z5P.
I have no idea how much they plan to charge for XZ2.
I expect something between $ 1230 - 1360
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blackzeros
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On 2018-03-11 14:01:09, -XYZ wrote:
On 2018-03-11 07:43:43, blackzeros wrote:
i dont know how much big sony mobile r&d team,but sony mobile makes 7-8 billion dollars revenue in one year, i doubt you can explain shitty camera algorithm with just money spending, i cant explain even why only xa ultra's front camera has ois while others dont have.
Size of the imaging module. Bigger module requires bigger OIS gyros and more space. Sony's flagships to this day, have by far the largest image sensors in phones outside of the 808 pureview.
xa1 ultra's thickness is 8.1 mm and front sensor size is 1/2.6" bigger %15 more then 1/2.3" sensors.it doesnt explain to me how a phone with 11.1 mm thickness cant solve space issue.
edit i mean smaller, sorry...
[ This Message was edited by: blackzeros on 2018-03-11 13:22 ] |
ADIDA
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On 2018-03-11 14:14:01, blackzeros wrote:
On 2018-03-11 14:01:09, -XYZ wrote:
On 2018-03-11 07:43:43, blackzeros wrote:
i dont know how much big sony mobile r&d team,but sony mobile makes 7-8 billion dollars revenue in one year, i doubt you can explain shitty camera algorithm with just money spending, i cant explain even why only xa ultra's front camera has ois while others dont have.
Size of the imaging module. Bigger module requires bigger OIS gyros and more space. Sony's flagships to this day, have by far the largest image sensors in phones outside of the 808 pureview.
xa1 ultra's thickness is 8.1 mm and front sensor size is 1/2.6" bigger %15 more then 1/2.3" sensors.it doesnt explain to me how a phone with 11.1 mm thickness cant solve space issue.
oh man, 1/2.6 inch sensor smaller than 1/2.3 |
vivftp
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On 2018-03-11 01:11:38, Gitaroo wrote:
if the xz2 hardware is really identical to xz1, then that tells us Sony had never bother to optimized theor software to work with the hardware properly.... unless qualcomm tweaked the S845 hardware to work better with the sony sensor.
[ This Message was edited by: Gitaroo on 2018-03-11 00:12 ]
Was reading GSM Arena's preview of the XZ2 and Compact:
https://www.gsmarena.com/sony[....]_xz2_compact-review-1731p4.php
"What has changed, however, is the processing, as well as a couple of new/improved features. Besides being a true number-crunching powerhouse, a quick look at the camera section of the Snapdragon 845 reveals some real next-gen mobile photography potential. Sony has played a special part in all this since it helped co-develop the Qualcomm Spectra 280 ISP in question."
So I don't think it's fair to claim that Qualcomm is solely responsible for the improvements on the camera front when Sony co-developed Spectra 280 with them. |
-XYZ
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On 2018-03-11 14:14:01, blackzeros wrote:
On 2018-03-11 14:01:09, -XYZ wrote:
On 2018-03-11 07:43:43, blackzeros wrote:
i dont know how much big sony mobile r&d team,but sony mobile makes 7-8 billion dollars revenue in one year, i doubt you can explain shitty camera algorithm with just money spending, i cant explain even why only xa ultra's front camera has ois while others dont have.
Size of the imaging module. Bigger module requires bigger OIS gyros and more space. Sony's flagships to this day, have by far the largest image sensors in phones outside of the 808 pureview.
xa1 ultra's thickness is 8.1 mm and front sensor size is 1/2.6" bigger %15 more then 1/2.3" sensors.it doesnt explain to me how a phone with 11.1 mm thickness cant solve space issue.
edit i mean smaller, sorry...
[ This Message was edited by: blackzeros on 2018-03-11 13:22 ]
Bigger sensors need bigger lenses. This is particularly important at low f-numbers. The reason thus far Sony haven't seemed to go below an f/2.0 lens is because it would be difficult to get the lens to be optically neutral (low distortion, sharp across the frame etc.) and also remain a reasonable size.
If you want an OIS ready 1/2.3 sensor with an aperture of f/1.8 or even f/1.4 or something then the physical module will be significantly bigger. |
DarkKrypt
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Anyways any more rumours?
Shine us some light either high iso, plasma flash or xenon flash (wishful thinking) 😋 
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Scavenging twitter found these two posts
1. Evolves from xz premium
2....same design as xz2.
Don't know if legit but either they contradict each other or a mixture of the two designs.
Found these posted in the last 24 hours
Go figure hmm
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vivftp
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On 2018-03-11 15:34:36, DarkKrypt wrote:
Scavenging twitter found these two posts
1. Evolves from xz premium
2....same design as xz2.
Don't know if legit but either they contradict each other or a mixture of the two designs.
Found these posted in the last 24 hours
Go figure hmm
Might be a good idea to post your source for those tweets.
Also, they don't necessarily contradict one another. Same design as the XZ2 means it'll use the ambient flow design, and evolves from the XZ Premium means it'll take all the features of the XZ Premium and bump them up a notch. If, for example it were to have a 4K OLED display, dual camera, better stereo speakers... things like that would been seen as an evolution of the XZ Premium, and all can be done with the new design of the XZ2. |
Moe87
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They promised something new, the " MIRAI".
And it is not the XZ2. It is different from previous Sony but not any futuristic.
They don't even call XZ2 as Mirai..
I have no idea how XZ2P looks like or everything it packs.
I would not feel surprised if it has 100% screen.
This sounds future to me...
What if DVS can vibrate screen to make sound like the A1E?
Sony has patent of a way to have selfie cam beneath screen.
All it needs is oled ...
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On 2018-03-11 15:01:51, -XYZ wrote:
If you want an OIS ready 1/2.3 sensor with an aperture of f/1.8 or even f/1.4 or something then the physical module will be significantly bigger.
With the curved design and thicker middle, I feel Sony could pull off a f1.8 and OIS with the current cam. Although a 1.8 is only 1/3 stop brighter than a F2 but it is still something. I'd rather Sony keep the F2 lens and add OIS. |
vivftp
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On 2018-03-11 16:32:12, Moe87 wrote:
They promised something new, the " MIRAI".
And it is not the XZ2. It is different from previous Sony but not any futuristic.
They don't even call XZ2 as Mirai..
I have no idea how XZ2P looks like or everything it packs.
I would not feel surprised if it has 100% screen.
This sounds future to me...
What if DVS can vibrate screen to make sound like the A1E?
Sony has patent of a way to have selfie cam beneath screen.
All it needs is oled ...
I'm still not sure how likely we are to see the TV tech from the A1E ported over to a phone. I mean, what happens when you're playing a game and you touch the screen? Well now you're finger is disrupting the vibration of the screen which is producing the sound, and your sound is either severely dampened or gone. I think it's an idea that sounds good on paper for a phone, but doesn't work in reality. And yes, I know at least one other phone used a similar tech for the earpiece, but AFAIK I don't think any phone has used it for the loud speaker.
It's not that I don't WANT tech like that, it's just that it makes no logical sense for a phone. If the screen has to vibrate for sound to be produced then you'd never be able to touch the screen as that would affect the vibrations. |
Madmiraj_-
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On 2018-03-11 16:32:12, Moe87 wrote:
They promised something new, the " MIRAI".
And it is not the XZ2. It is different from previous Sony but not any futuristic.
They don't even call XZ2 as Mirai..
I have no idea how XZ2P looks like or everything it packs.
I would not feel surprised if it has 100% screen.
This sounds future to me...
What if DVS can vibrate screen to make sound like the A1E?
Sony has patent of a way to have selfie cam beneath screen.
All it needs is oled ...
I don't know mate. They never promised MIRAI.. It was a rumor.. People made it up.. They never officially said anything about MIRAI.. It might still be there but then again it might just be a rumor.. What they really promised was a new design and futuristic ideas which they did announce.. Only problem is that some didn't like it.. The future or the surprise they talked about was the dual cam which can do crazy shit..
As for the vibrating thing and full bezel less, I think it's still too early for that.. I mean come on.. Bezel less design is just a fad.. I mean we use the phones for everything, it's not like it is just a fancy thing.. Bezel less design has no practical use.. Less durability, low ergonomics and many more... I think full bezel less design would be great when the phones would become an accessory only and not the necessity it is today.. |
Gitaroo
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On 2018-03-11 14:42:12, vivftp wrote:
On 2018-03-11 01:11:38, Gitaroo wrote:
if the xz2 hardware is really identical to xz1, then that tells us Sony had never bother to optimized theor software to work with the hardware properly.... unless qualcomm tweaked the S845 hardware to work better with the sony sensor.
[ This Message was edited by: Gitaroo on 2018-03-11 00:12 ]
Was reading GSM Arena's preview of the XZ2 and Compact:
https://www.gsmarena.com/sony[....]_xz2_compact-review-1731p4.php
"What has changed, however, is the processing, as well as a couple of new/improved features. Besides being a true number-crunching powerhouse, a quick look at the camera section of the Snapdragon 845 reveals some real next-gen mobile photography potential. Sony has played a special part in all this since it helped co-develop the Qualcomm Spectra 280 ISP in question."
So I don't think it's fair to claim that Qualcomm is solely responsible for the improvements on the camera front when Sony co-developed Spectra 280 with them.
Very interesting, I think this tells us Sony might me moving to use Qualcomm SoC for their future camera or there is noway they will go this far into to co develop the chip. Next RX100 might run android os I assume. Make sense I think because that will save them R&D on their camera side also. All these co development and partnership with Qualcomm also tell us they should have a great relationship and the latest soc should always be available to Sony. |
Moe87
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Is XZ2 green or blue?
Some pics show a dark color like dark green, other pics the same blue of U11.
I remember the u11 solar red kinda switch between red/orange
I went back to GSMArena photo tool.
Some phones with OIS have samples taken at high ISO ( low light scenario).
And XZ2 without OIS could shoot at 200.
I dont know what kind of voodoo Sony did, but shots are as good as shots taken on manual.
Really curious to see what XZ2 can do on tripod and 1s SS + ISO 50
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