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NightBlade
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On 2009-06-06 14:40:00, chombos1 wrote:
yes... no word on picture's details... they are amazing...
BUT....
this RED to Pink problem was with SE since K850 (unfortunatly, only high-end cybershots suffer from it- and now this flagship handset)
Not the case with my C905.
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I’m not so impressed by Satio’s pics, surely very good but i thought better..
Here a comparison with Renoir, best 8mp. with Innv8:
Renoir
Satio
Renoir
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A pre production model maybe? |
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On 2009-06-06 16:43:28, se_dude wrote:
A pre production model maybe?
It is, there wont be any final units out for at least a month, even then i wouldnt count on the camera been the exact quality as on release. |
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In response to the person that said the battery might be 1000mAh now but higher on the final models; well, there's very little you can fit inside a battery - so don't expect much extra.
You'll see that SE has managed to take one of their mainstream batteries, the BST-38 and over time get from 900 to 920 to 950 and now I think 1,000mAh.
So, SE might be able to get another 50-100mAh inside the casing, but that's still going to leave it at a bit of a disadvantage. Sure, I'm using my I8910 loads as I just got it, but that's only lasting a day and it's 1,500mAh!
We do need to remember that even though we're having a fair discussion here that highlights some flaws and disappointments, it's still going to be an interesting and potentially popular product - although I do think that the OS still needs a lot of work. The 5800 was bad (and with a resistive screen) and the I8910 seems a lot quicker, but taking a user interface that was originally non-touch and making it touch shows many compromises.
SE will also have these problems by sticking with the vanilla S60 5th Edition - so the things I'll really be looking forward to will be what comes out next year.
Apple may or may not have the new iPhone, but their big improvement/step isn't just hardware now but the OS. iPhone OS 3.0 and the App Store makes the iPhone a simple, fast, good looking proposition to the market. Although the I8910 looks good, there's a lack of conformity that you get with the iPhone (and OS X in general on a Mac) and inconsistencies in each application. That needs to be addressed; and adding extra things on top - rather like people have done to hide Windows Mobile - can make it even more confusing.
To get good early sales, it may need all the bells and whistles and be the market leader, but for long-term profit you need something that has some staying power. The comparison to the RAZR is therefore extremely relevant.
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synn
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One advantage of newer platforms such as the OMAP3 is lower energy consumption. 2 days with Bluetooth on is a VERY GOOD figure. In fact, that's on par with my W580 with no bluetooth (4-5 hours of music per day, though) and average talktime.
The touch screen seems to be very responsive in the video at GSMA, so I doubt if that'd be an issue. I personally don't care whether it's capacitive or resistive, as long as it works. And this one seems to be working very well.
Also, I don't see what's so superior about the Renoir image samples over the Satio, other than differing lighting conditions.
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Anyone know if we will see thos nice transitions we saw when it was first shown in Barcelona?
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@-PERFECT- - as I see the Satio's photos are really good. I hope Aino will make very good photos too.
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On 2009-06-06 05:23:42, synn wrote:
The RAZR's "User experience" WAS the unique style, form factor and the cultural phenomenon it invoked. That's what I have been saying from the start. The UI is but one part of it. You assumed that it meant only the UI.
The RAZR in many ways, is a good example for showing how paper specs don't determine success. It had many compromises and you can wage a 20 page war on the internet based on it.
The end customers don't care.
The iPhone which you mentioned has several compromises too. It doesn't multitask, can't do things a $100 phone can do and bind you down to apps that Apple decide is good for you (Unless you jailbreak). Points every anti Apple rant bring up 20 times a day.
The end customers don't care.
See where I'm going with this?
You summed it up pretty well with this:
"Since Satio has not been released yet, it might it be too early to tell whether it would be a success or not. "
But then did a 180 and posted this:
"But I think, it will not sell good."
I respectfully disagree and will see you here in a few months to continue this discussion. Until then, there simply is no point.
In Razr and Iphone's case, the compromises were worth it because these two phones had brought "Unique Experience." No other manufacturers back then offered the similar solution the same time; it came later . In Satio's case, by the time it starts selling, similar or better solution will have been out for quite some time in the market already, leaving it just another option. What does unique user experience Satio provide? It does not have any; what it has is features that the other phones have as well, and that some phones even surpass. Nothing is worth to be sacrificed.
By the way, it is actually pointless to talk about Satio selling well when it is released in the market already; we will know the answer by then, and the adjustments that will be made are just software related (as if Sony Ericsson would make harwdare changes after announcing Satio or any cell phone). Th reason why we are discussing it now is to address what important features that Satio lacks so that SE can make the necessary adjustments. When the device hits the market its final, the modications will just be little to none. Why wait until the Satio starts selling to discuss whether it will be success or not? "...there is simply no point." (synn)
To apolla: I am gonna say this once and for all, the competition is really tough nowadays. Every cell phones makers seem able to incorporate features that each other of them phone has. Thus, making the phones they make to have really close feature sets. For a phone to sell, it has to standout among the rest. Since Satio does not really have much to brag about (not because it is a poor device but because its features will be quite ordinary for a high end when it hits the market), all can be done for it is to level its features to the competition like incorporating 3.5mm jack, increasing the battery capacity and video recording resolution, etc.
Iphone is selling well because it offers "unique user experience." Its features are advanced too, except for the camera.
About the HD recording capability, well that's one of the main features of OmniaHD that set it apart from the competiton. Without it, OmniaHD would not be as unique as it is now. What if Satio is able to record videos in 720p, will you think of it the same way as you do now? Isn't that make Satio more interesting?
About Pixon being a feature phone, nowadays people do not really care if it is a smartphone or featurephone. What they are after is if it is touchscreen or not. By all means, Pixon is a close competitor of Satio.
I think the last post I'm gonna make for now. I need to rest my mind. |
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On 2009-06-06 18:38:17, bavlondon2 wrote:
Anyone know if we will see thos nice transitions we saw when it was first shown in Barcelona?
Those transitions are still there... They never left Idou/Satio...
Just take a look at:
http://vimeo.com/4939509
http://vimeo.com/4939281
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwFZ3rXwgUk |
jmcomms
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The iPhone will always do well with a certain audience - which is large and supposedly increasing - as Apple is a brand that people buy into almost in a religious way - like people love BMW, Mercedes or Porsche etc.
Take out those who looked at a large range of devices and CHOSE the iPhone, there's a type of user (and I see them a lot working in both the media and in and around the West End and City of London/Shoreditch) that will just buy one. They'll buy the next one and upgrade just as they do with their Mac or MacBook.
Apple can therefore get away with making mistakes, but the good thing is that they haven't really made many mistakes. They give people a good, polished, package where everything has been designed with ease of use from day one.
As I continue to play with the I8910, I notice all the niggles with S60 5th Edition that can't be hidden like the menu option for the animated transitions (disabled by default). The web browser is slow and the email client designed by someone that still thinks email is something no consumer is that bothered about. Only now on the latest Eseries models is Nokia giving a pretty decent email experience, with customisable displays and layouts, while the I8910 has next to nothing.
The Satio will, sadly, suffer the same problems. It's why I hoped they'd be moving on to the next revision - the first official Symbian Foundation OS release - by release.
But, it will still have the potential to offer a good size and package for whatever money. There are plenty of people who buy on the look of the device as well as the features, so if they prefer the Satio design and the shutter cover (which is always the best way to activate and close the camera) then that will rank it higher on their list than competiting devices like the I8910 and anything new from Nokia.
Fortunately, too, Sony Ericsson is building on a platform that will see more devices released so they aren't putting all their eggs in one basket and running the risk of losing it all from poor sales. As long as they don't make too many, and operators take it on to sell, they'll do well and re-use the technology on the next products.
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On 2009-06-06 21:20:00, rss_ndrsn wrote:
By the way, it is actually pointless to talk about Satio selling well when it is released in the market already; we will know the answer by then, and the adjustments that will be made are just software related (as if Sony Ericsson would make harwdare changes after announcing Satio or any cell phone). Th reason why we are discussing it now is to address what important features that Satio lacks so that SE can make the necessary adjustments. When the device hits the market its final, the modications will just be little to none. Why wait until the Satio starts selling to discuss whether it will be success or not? "...there is simply no point." (synn)
To apolla: I am gonna say this once and for all, the competition is really tough nowadays. Every cell phones makers seem able to incorporate features that each other of them phone has. Thus, making the phones they make to have really close feature sets. For a phone to sell, it has to standout among the rest. Since Satio does not really have much to brag about (not because it is a poor device but because its features will be quite ordinary for a high end when it hits the market), all can be done for it is to level its features to the competition like incorporating 3.5mm jack, increasing the battery capacity and video recording resolution, etc.
Iphone is selling well because it offers "unique user experience." Its features are advanced too, except for the camera.
About the HD recording capability, well that's one of the main features of OmniaHD that set it apart from the competiton. Without it, OmniaHD would not be as unique as it is now. What if Satio is able to record videos in 720p, will you think of it the same way as you do now? Isn't that make Satio more interesting?
About Pixon being a feature phone, nowadays people do not really care if it is a smartphone or featurephone. What they are after is if it is touchscreen or not. By all means, Pixon is a close competitor of Satio.
I think the last post I'm gonna make for now. I need to rest my mind.
Your first point is correct, we are discussing OPINIONS like yours, because IMO the Satio lacks NOTHING. The Satio will stand out with an amazing camera and a VERY good interface that works VERY fast. So it's GUI is one way it will stand out.
And the iPhone has advanced features??????? 
PLEASE explain to us all what exactly you think these advanced features are cause I'm totally at a loss?
HD video recording doesn't interest me personally, and you were making your argument sound like there were many phones with this feature and so therefore the Satio was rubbish, I just corrected you. The Satio is tiny compared the Omnia HD, that to will make it stand out against the Samsung.
And again you cannot compare the Pixon, you are wrong, people are being sold apps and apps stores these day's, and for that you NEED a smart phone to make the most of those apps. Android has it, SE and Nokia have them, Apple has one etc etc.
The Pixon does not have an APPs store does it? Not to mention all the other things you can do like edit MS Office docs etc.
I'm vaguely interested in apps myself but not greatly, I just want turn by turn sat nav and to be honest I would be prepared to buy and use a C905 if Satio wasn't launched. |
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It's interesting to read someone say HD video doesn't mean much - so it's okay to leave out - yet the fact that there are millions of people out there happy to do without a top-end camera or video doesn't mean it's okay for there to be an iPhone.
There are phones out there to suit all tastes and needs, just like cars, and the iPhone has a segment of the market that other manufacturers pretty much aren't going to steal back. You could even argue that some iPhone users previously owned a fairly basic phone before and bought an iPhone for simplicity and excellent integration with their Mac or iTunes (if they were iPod/iTunes users before).
I use my iPhone 90% as a media player or using apps, checking Facebook and email. I also use it a bit for the web. I'd actually be happy for it to not even have the phone part - rather like a mobile enabled iPod Touch. There are quite a few people that have an iPhone as a second device. The fact is, Apple has done such a good job with the software (and OS 3.0 is nearly here) that the device is almost immaterial. Yes, we'll get a new one and it will have more storage and a tweaked look, but it is bound to follow the same basic design. People like it and we have to accept that.
In fact, anyone that was to get an iPhone or iPod Touch would surely admit that Apple has done something that nobody else has done; focussed on usability and intuitiveness. Symbian, Microsoft and Google haven't managed that yet and I'm yet to properly see the new Palm webOS to give a proper opinion.
The Satio isn't a low-spec phone and it won't have fallen far behind the competition when it comes out. It's smaller than the I8910 HD and has the sliding shutter that makes the camera far easier to use. Even though LG and Samsung will both have their 12MP camera products on the market by then (Samsung has announced theirs, LG will do any day), does it really matter?
We'll hear about the next product and be discussing it here, but phones have quite a long shelf life so SE will still be selling the Satio and making money from it long after we've moved on.
My concern is the same as I've said all along; poor OS and slow UI. Hopefully these things can be improved a little by the time of the release (we know the hardware is going to be fixed) and the SE-specific content loaded on top helps it further.
The problem is that, with S60 5th Edition being a bit clunky, it makes me start to think that the best device will be the Aino and others based on SE's own OS. It may be simple by comparison, but that simplicity is where it can actually start to attack the likes of Apple.
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I just been watching some You Tube videos of this phone. Looks fantastic and seeing that brilliant screen with the camera images on  Though cos it was a pre production model on one video I noticed some serious lag in the menus when some guy was operating it. Hope thats sorted once released.
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Hey... I noticed something in that video (the gsm arena one). Click watch in HD and you will notice that sony ericsson brought back the little flashing LED
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