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hymie
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Couldn't agree more. It's just a shame for SE. Especially when they should have all the necessary expertise onboard with backup from Ericsson engineers. | |
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max_wedge
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I don't know if I agree that HSDPA is as necessary for business as you say. I consult with business, both corporate and small business, on a daily basis and most business use of smartphones that I see is more than adequately provided for by 3G bandwidth. In Autralia, and many other countries, bandwidth is simply too expensive for business to use it for anything more than email and basic web browsing. So even if HSDPA is available it's not going to be utilised to any great degree, atleast for the next 12-18 months.
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It is necessary for those who want the best. Even if it is not necessary for you 2 1/2 years gap from the time it was available till end of 2008? C'mon, that can't be right, anyone knows that. I'm not asking SE to equip all their range with HSDPA, just 1 smartphone, 1 freakin smartphone. Perhaps that's too much to ask.
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hmmm okay, fair enough, but all I'm saying is that SE don't design their corporate plans around niche markets, and for various reasons they consider HSDPA as niche.
You may disagree but you don't have the global view that SE have to consider. Generally, around the world mobile broadband is not cheap enough for HSDPA to get any serious utilisation. When that changes, phone OEM's will bring out more and more HSDPA.
I blame the operators for being so stingy with mobile broadband pricing. AS you say, it's 2008 for God's sake! Why the hell is mobile broad band still stupidly expensive in most parts of the world? Change that fact and SE will have HSDPA phones coming out of their ears.
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It seems pretty fast to me through the menu.
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hymie
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@max_wedge: Sorry, but I guess you have not realized that HSDPA is widely spread in some of the largest markets in the world. Entire continental Europe sports full HSDPA coverage, moderate pricing plans are available to consumers.
I don't see your point. We all can live with the fact SE having some mid-range smartphones with not so state-of-the-art technology. However it is disappointing that SE can not deliver any UIQ smartphone with topical technical specs at the moment and probably for the rest of 2008 at all. This will further deteriorate SE's following among the tech-savvy and business users.
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..the question is: why shouldn't it run in the background?
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On 2008-02-15 10:14:29, max_wedge wrote:
this is right, I think very few people are in a position to really benefit from HSDPA (ie in a location where HSDPA is offered by providers, and data is affordable enough to actually benefit from faster downloads)
From that point of view, I hardly think "this day and age" covers it  In this "day and age" data is still expensive and only a fraction of providers offer true HSDPA service coverage. So it's not yet something that cell phone manufacturers ought feel obliged to make ubiquiteous imho.
True, but if you want to buy a phone that you're going to use for the next 3-4 years (not everyone can afford to change phones every few months), you'll want it to have many connectivity feature on board, for when these connectivity options become available/affordable with your provider.
In that respect, it's slightly disappointing the G series doesn't have HSDPA.
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On 2008-02-15 13:09:12, Nipsen wrote:
..the question is: why shouldn't it run in the background?
You mean like "to let often used apps stay open is the appropriate way to use the phone"?
Yes, I guess. But then what's the fuss about uiq being sluggish? Used that way apps are opening instantly, right? To my knowledge the only lagging takes place when starting up applications. RAM would then set the limit of possible number of open applications.
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there are apps like messaging and contacts that still take a little while even if loaded on RAM...that is the real test for the g900...its not too unbearable on the P1/etc, but exists on these apps. All other apps are pretty much instant when loaded on RAM...and if RAM is there, i just use it, and have all the necessary stuff running all day
also...remember the inital problems with the P990 and its terrible lack of RAM gave UIQ3 some bad rep, that still haunts the other phones...and that is some people always refer to it being slugish - but for the moment you have lots of RAM, that is not really an issue, although a more powerfull processor will always bring more
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@max_wedge
Frankly, I don't think it's a matter of whether or not HSDPA users are in the "niche" market, because 1 phone to satisfy 1 type of market is very much achievable for a manufacturer as big as SE to maintain a following among its users since it is after all good and sensible marketing. If that's the case, why have it in X1 at all? Don't tell me SE has calculated that by the time X1 is out HSDPA would be up in all its glory and viable for the masses. I have to say again we're not expecting all SE phones to have HSDPA. I just think it started off from lack of vision followed by bad planning, slow development of UIQ3 and the desperation to finish off whatever that's left of the old hardware from the 1st generation UIQ3 devices that has caused this weird lag. I think this deciding factor stands true for many.
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On 2008-02-15 13:42:07, hansen wrote:
But then what's the fuss about uiq being sluggish? Used that way apps are opening instantly, right? To my knowledge the only lagging takes place when starting up applications. RAM would then set the limit of possible number of open applications.
It's not instant. But we're talking about comfortably switching between large office documents, web, calendar and mail and so on, so it's not a problem with speed on the unit as such.
But as ares says, there are pauses when opening the messager- app. And.. most notably the apps made by SE, which are bundled on the phone, and which are in some respects irreplaceable.. they suffer a bit. It's perhaps three- four seconds when opening for a new sms, and something similar when opening an incoming message, for example. Then, another two seconds to open the contacts from the mail- app. And it flips through a few screens before getting there, and it flickers - it's presumably running some sort of script that involves displaying the lists, and then opening the message in the list, etc. And on the contacts, it continually displays the updated selections in the viewport or something, instead of just creating a new list and then displaying that at full speed. And that feels unecessarily sluggish. Imo, it feels unfinished. Like the kind of thing you would make when you care only about the deadline. And least of all about how useful the program is, or how fast it is..
And the program suite that comes with the phone suffers from things like that. Small weaknesses that just shouldn't be there. Obviously, it's also in SE's power to fix it - to revisit some of their solutions, and understand that they're sabotaging their own sales by just ditching the entire thing and holding desperately on to the "fixing only the bugs" policy.
But they won't do anything about it. In fact, they won't even consider putting in some functions like a more convenient way to move and delete imap messages from the list- view. Or, as we've seen, they have no interest in actually talking to their users.
So obviously - that the phone is sluggish is a problem, and it shouldn't be that way, and it evidently shouldn't stay that way until the next phone (or even between the phones, like with the p990 and the p1).
Does that mean the phone is slow in general, and that programs written for UIQ is generally slower than those written for s60 or wm for example? No. In fact, on actual usage - when you don't have to close and open programs all the time - which you do on s60 - it works quicker, and is more efficient. But does that mean it's perfect, or even as good as it could reasonably be expected to be? Absolutely not.
Of course - does that mean hordes of people go and sign their favourite feature request in the wiki, or go sign the open letter? Apparently not. So it can't be that bad after all, it seems..
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@Max_Wedge; Man you've been plenty busy lately, its not often you post on the forums of late. Good to see you're still active. As a question regarding your latest phone; maybe via PM.
On 2008-02-12 10:57:36, laffen wrote:
I had a chat with the product manager of the G900 / G700 today. He could tell me that the G900 has 8 GB internaly memory, but this could change before the lauch. This is not official from Sony Ericsson and that is why you can't fin the information anywhere.
Here is the comparison photo of the G900 and P1i:
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@Laffen; many thanks for the beautiful comparison photo.
SO you DO get to speak with SE Product managers! As a side question off-topic but helpful in any of current or future things of SE, would it be possible to work with product managers in a questions and answers (product intellectual property secrets aside) thread on released/upcoming products, or for newer products a thread much like the multiple firmware related threads for bug reports (beginning off not only current firmwares and bug fixes focused on but ALSO what the goal of the product is so there are no CRAZY superphone expectations?) hmm?
On-Topic comments.
Laffen is it me or does the keypad from the G900 look exactly/similar to the K800/750i keypad? Also is the tactile feedback identical?
I'm beginning to love the side scrolling menu layout and also the familar SE A100/200 platform for the 9 Menu listing shortcuts.
Why didn't SE allow for a Quadband GSM/GPRS/EDGE and also UMTS (not HSDPA) for this product for a larger product sales release; since this is a new product segment?? It would affect sales of the P1i - it doesn't have quadband gsm either; but it seems the G-series was to have a larger market appeal?
Most important question. Is SE going to have plans for a larger North & South American presence in the future smartphone market = UIQ Platform to fight Nokia new S60 N/S American market initiative??!!!
This product design and implementation would be PERFECT for North & South American markets. TO have a sleek & Incognito smartphone in a candybar phone guise with a incredible camera and D-Pad or TouchScreen navigation?
Furthermore are more applications for Consumer or Corporate are going to be co-developed, developed by SE, or enticed by SE for both markets; adamantly?
Cheers.
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I can't believe your still on about HSDPA, SE have taken the P1i, shrunk it down, made it CHEAPER, given it more features and a new CPU, changed the interface, and from EVERY single video I've seen of the G900 so far made it all run faster, but your all still moaning about HSDPA. I bet the G700 is really cheap or free on every tariff and will be on pay as you go, is their a smart phone in the UK on pay as you go that has HSDPA? And as to say why is their no Symbian phone with HSDPA yet, I've no doubt the P5i will have it plus a ton more, I mean SE have put the next technology in the X1 which I didn't even know existed yet.
I just can't see the problem myself as unless it's a full screen phone like the X1 or iPhone then UMTS will be far more then adequate as just how much web browsing are you gonna do on a 2.4" screen? | |
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