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sapporobaby
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On 2007-05-29 13:52:25, QVGA wrote:
On 2007-05-29 13:48:49, plankgatan wrote:
SE makes theirs phones with highest Quality.
Nokia makes phones with all lot of functions (who nearlly works properley), also some of Nokias top-phones like N95, has not the highest quality. or is it someone who thinks for example N95 has high quality ? (feels like a plastic phone for half that price).
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-05-29 12:50 ]
it feels plastic because it IS plastic
The back is rubberized it seems, and for the record are there any steel or iron or aluminum phones on the market?
As usual the "it feels like a plastic toy" statement from the resident Nokia sucks SE is the greatest resident. No facts of course but hey who cares.
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Playstation 3 currently here in Ireland costs as much as a budget laptop and a w810 combined... Is a gamesconsole worth that money? Well, it's new; it combines a lot of new tech in one plastic box, and regardless of the many gamers who'd be happy to buy a stripped down, no-fuss GAMES(!) console...well, R'n'D has to be recovered etc etc...
Similarily, the n95 is a NEW and currently unique package... It doesn't matter that it includes elements that some find unnecessary or half-assed (I'd pay more NOT to have gps  )... Convergence is THE trend! And like the ps3 the n95 will get a lot cheaper before long! n95 is plastic, that's right - so is the silly lense cover on K750 etc etc etc... And the n91? isn't that one "rubbish" cause it's so heavy because it's not plastic?
And as already stated, how "rubbish" was the p990i at full price and bugged? And there's a thread here somewhere about removing the flip - partly because, in short, it's a bit "plastic"...
i don't think anyone in this thread who points out a plus-point of a non-SE model is implicitly saying that that model is all perfect while SE-models are all crap! it's about needs, wants and expectations, and we are all individuals!
i was talking to one of the more "knowledgeable" salepeople here yesterday about how well w880 was selling!? He explained that most customers who already had owned/used "better" phones were annoyed with it, while most newcomers to upper-range handsets (pricewise, that is)loved it...
So there were with the same model returned handsets and new SE-fans!
maggflodd and his half-plastic/half-metal e61 OUT!
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On 2007-05-29 13:58:51, sapporobaby wrote:
On 2007-05-29 13:50:42, Dogmann wrote:
Hi all,
Well sorry to disagree with most of you and whilst the K800 may be a good phone and even capable of running Multiple apps it is in no way a smart phone. Also when first launched it was a disgrace with the amount of phones that died do to the bad EROM problem, how did this also get out the gate without sufficient testing this also does less than inspire confidence and is not the only model to suffer either.
If this was still Ericsson none of this would be happening and trust me we would all be very excited about the next product launches. Instead of which we get this big build up to May the 8th and then a Fizzle rather than a bang.
Where is the dam 5 mega pixel Cybershot that has be coming for how long now and every time it's the next announcement at this rate the rest of the Market will be on 8-10 Megs by the time it puts in an appearance.
What has happened to the 7-8 UIQ3 devices some with out touchscreens that where coming at this rate we will be lucky to hear of them by Christmas for spring/summer launches. Tell me how i am meant to seriously consider a high end smart phone from SE when SE simply don't have one. Please don't suggest the P1 besides WiFi b a Camera and the extra Ram it's the same hardware as the M600 and how old is that now at only £199 brand new the P990 today is £236 and the P1 is going to be £440 approx some choice even Motorola has a better selection and one of them is UIQ.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-29 12:52 ]
Forgot about those dead phones. Yes. High quality my uhhhh, ear. 
You beatch 
N95 problems are all over the web forums and that is from what is supposed to be a cutting edge phone!
source
There are even videos of wonky N95 sliders on youtube for christsakes - now don't tell me that can be fixed with a quick fw update. 
They really need to get things right first time or really, after all is said and done, they are no better or no worse than SE.
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mustafabay
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I think most of the reason we're getting all these discussions is SE is a little overwhelmed this year, they bought UIQ and don't know/ can't decide which version of symbian to use or wait for. It seems SE has change a lot of things in its strategy and will continue too. SE seems to be scrambling to do everything at once when it comes to the high end and that's pushed everthing back. So basically this year might not be too bad for SE in the sales department because its low and mid and high-mid are more or less blanketed. SE will have to get its thinking straight and have a better idea of what's going to happen in the high end latter this year and mostly 2008.
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Dogmann
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@goldenface
Yet again we are discussing SE not Nokia and where i have i ever claimed that Nokia phones are problem free either or that this is right. I think it is wholly wrong what all manufacturers do when releasing devices that still need work always have done and always will do. How ever as i like to be an earlier adopter i accept this is the price that has to be paid some times and as long as things are resolved quickly that is just about acceptable to me.
I was never going to get a N95 as it just didn't appeal to me so i really can't comment other than there seem to be an awful lot sold and happy customers. In this thread we are not discussing Motorola Nokia's or even Samsungs failings we are discussing SE's and although UIQ3 is now starting to turn the corner the amount of time it has taken is outrageous SE had no right to release half finished products that were UIQ3 devices and even the P1 brings no new tech other than the extra 64mb Ram as this is not a luxury but a necessity due to the Ram leaks. The K800 early problems can not be denied and affected far to many before an update become available to fix the problem.
Now as this great big Nokia Fan Boy it may just surprise you i am about to get a K810i as this appears to be a slightly improved K800 and i am hoping will not suffer any of it's predecessors problems. The reason i have chosen this device is 3.2 Mega pixels is enough for my needs and a Xenon flash will be nice and i already have a smart phone i need a camera and to make some calls. The other reason is i can get one for free with free delivery on a 12 month @ £20pm which seems like a god deal to me. What do you think should i go for it?
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sapporobaby
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On 2007-05-29 15:22:19, Dogmann wrote:
@goldenface
Yet again we are discussing SE not Nokia and where i have i ever claimed that Nokia phones are problem free either or that this is right. I think it is wholly wrong what all manufacturers do when releasing devices that still need work always have done and always will do. How ever as i like to be an earlier adopter i accept this is the price that has to be paid some times and as long as things are resolved quickly that is just about acceptable to me.
I was never going to get a N95 as it just didn't appeal to me so i really can't comment other than there seem to be an awful lot sold and happy customers. In this thread we are not discussing Motorola Nokia's or even Samsungs failings we are discussing SE's and although UIQ3 is now starting to turn the corner the amount of time it has taken is outrageous SE had no right to release half finished products that were UIQ3 devices and even the P1 brings no new tech other than 64mb Ram as this is not a luxury but a necessity due to the Ram leaks. The K800 early problems can not be denied and affected far to many before an update become available to fix the problem.
Now as this great big Nokia Fan Boy it may just surprise you i am about to get a K810i as this appears to be a slightly improved K800 and i am hoping will not suffer any of it's predecessors problems. The reason i have chosen this device is 3.2 Mega pixels is enough for my needs and a Xenon flash will be nice and i already have a smart phone i need a camera and to make some calls. The other reason is i can get one for free with free delivery on a 12 month @ £20pm which seems like a god deal to me. What do you think should i go for it?
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-29 14:24 ]
Get the k810i. I almost bought one but I had the E61, and now the N95. Just too many phones.
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sapporobaby
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The guy makes a great statement.
Evolution, not revolution but this is still a nice looking phone.
http://my-symbian.com/uiq3/review_p1i.php
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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@dogman, I brought up touchscreen to demonstrate how Nokia are lacking in some market segments just as you and others are claiming SE are lacking in hsdpa and gps. It seems the whole argument that SE is not producing "good" phones rests on the fact that they have no phone that supports HSDPA or GPS. AS goldenface pointed out, those items are by no means a strong driving factor in sales. They are niche requirements like touchscreen. So if lack of hsdpa and gps brands SE as failing to make good phones, then the same argument applies to Nokia with regard to touchscreens.
Just because you don't want a touchscreen doesn't make it irrelevant. Just because I don't care about GPS, doesn't make it irrelevant. If GPS and HSDPA is relevant in this debate, then so is touchscreen.
@all, I agree N800 is an internet tablet not a mobile phone. To those who criticised me referring to N800 in this discussion I only brought it up since sapporobaby referenced it as a Nokia touchscreen, and because it shows that Nokia are supporting touchscreen still, albeit not in a mobile phone yet.
@sapporobaby, I really doubt that with not only SE and WM but also competetion from iPhone, that Nokia have no plans for touchscreen. Nokia has had problems seemlessly integrating s90 into s60 (s90 itself had problems that lead Nokia to decide to concentrate on s60). The same issues of touchscreen support in s90 will likely need to be addressed in s60 as well. So yes they can do it, but I believe they are taking time with it just as SE took time with UIQ3. There is a presumption that Nokia can do anything they want instantly while SE struggle to bring out new developments. I think that is completely wrong. Both SE and Nokia have arenas of technology that create bug bears for them.
Reports of Nokia s60 touchscreen development:
http://www.boygeniusreport.co[....]-nokias-touchscreen-s60-plans/
http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=129
quote that shows "power users" like TS "Touch screen devices will provide that final 20% of features that readers of All About Symbian and other power users strive for. " (so I'm not really in poor company even if I do like TS). http://www.allaboutsymbian.co[....]f_Touch_The_Sense_of_Sight.php
and finally, something funny for us all to laugh at
http://discussions.europe.nok[....]ard.id=phones&message.id=17824
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On 2007-05-30 02:38:11, max_wedge wrote:
@dogman, I brought up touchscreen to demonstrate how Nokia are lacking in some market segments just as you and others are claiming SE are lacking in hsdpa and gps. It seems the whole argument that SE is not producing "good" phones rests on the fact that they have no phone that supports HSDPA or GPS. AS goldenface pointed out, those items are by no means a strong driving factor in sales. They are niche requirements like touchscreen. So if lack of hsdpa and gps brands SE as failing to make good phones, then the same argument applies to Nokia with regard to touchscreens.
Just because you don't want a touchscreen doesn't make it irrelevant. Just because I don't care about GPS, doesn't make it irrelevant. If GPS and HSDPA is relevant in this debate, then so is touchscreen.
@all, I agree N800 is an internet tablet not a mobile phone. To those who criticised me referring to N800 in this discussion I only brought it up since sapporobaby referenced it as a Nokia touchscreen, and because it shows that Nokia are supporting touchscreen still, albeit not in a mobile phone yet.
@sapporobaby, I really doubt that with not only SE and WM but also competetion from iPhone, that Nokia have no plans for touchscreen. Nokia has had problems seemlessly integrating s90 into s60 (s90 itself had problems that lead Nokia to decide to concentrate on s60). The same issues of touchscreen support in s90 will likely need to be addressed in s60 as well. So yes they can do it, but I believe they are taking time with it just as SE took time with UIQ3. There is a presumption that Nokia can do anything they want instantly while SE struggle to bring out new developments. I think that is completely wrong. Both SE and Nokia have arenas of technology that create bug bears for them.
Reports of Nokia s60 touchscreen development:
http://www.boygeniusreport.co[....]-nokias-touchscreen-s60-plans/
http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=129
quote that shows "power users" like TS "Touch screen devices will provide that final 20% of features that readers of All About Symbian and other power users strive for. " (so I'm not really in poor company even if I do like TS). http://www.allaboutsymbian.co[....]f_Touch_The_Sense_of_Sight.php
and finally, something funny for us all to laugh at
http://discussions.europe.nok[....]ard.id=phones&message.id=17824
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[ This Message was edited by: max_wedge on 2007-05-30 01:42 ]
i guess you know the main problem with nokia phones utilizing S80 and S90 is the "generaly slow" operating system  . one factor is that the monstrous display is not suitable for a 156Mhz(9500,7710,9300) processor for rendering smooth running applications . even the mobile-review benchmark of E90 vs. E61i and N95 turned out in yet, another system slowdown issues with E90 (E90 falls terribly slow compared to N95 in which the two phones shares same processor type albeit E90 has even doubled RAM), thanks for it's more monstrous display which eats more RAM while requiring more processing to the applications scaled to complement the unusual display size
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On 2007-05-25 22:22:30, plankgatan wrote:
ok, so you mean this camera-quality isnt ok (its really fine for me. looks awesome even when i print them out on my printer. (no photo shop, just directly from the phone).
SE k800/k810 rules bigtime..........
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-05-25 21:27 ]
These images are really spectaculer if they came of the k800/10. I think in a few years time people will be using digital camera phones for there real snaps and forget dedicated cameras. Any one think diffrent? |
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nops, there's just no way a cam phone can be compared to real cameras. It wont happen. Atleast SE wont do it, they have to sell their digital cams too(SONY) |
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On 2007-05-30 18:46:30, QVGA wrote:
nops, there's just no way a cam phone can be compared to real cameras. It wont happen. Atleast SE wont do it, they have to sell their digital cams too(SONY)
Correct again dude.
No offense King but only a person that did not know about photography would think this was possible. Was not meant as a flame. Just the facts. There is no way this camera phone can compete with my Nikon D80. Hell not even my old Sony.
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KingBooker5
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Very good point, I never thought about it like that. Maybe thats why there not increasing there cams resolution on there phones? |
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On 2007-05-30 18:50:36, KingBooker5 wrote:
Very good point, I never thought about it like that. Maybe thats why there not increasing there cams resolution on there phones?
no, thats why they are not increasing the "quality" of the given res. on their phone, both for marketing purpose and the fact that its not actually possible(physical limitations) |
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You know, idealy 2 or 3mp is the right ammount to get a good quality average size print. Why make megapixels higher? Who is actualy going to use the n95's 5mp camera for all there pictures? All it does is take up memory. If all these companys didnt care about the money, they may stick it to those resolutions. (3mp takes enough memory, almost 1 megabyte for one photo on fine quality!) | |
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